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WADA Confirms Attack by Russian Cyber Espionage Group
- tdb7893 10y agoRecently I've become worried that almost all "leaks" are done by nations.
- cloudjacker 10y agonothing in that article suggested that Fancy Bear was acting as the nation of Russia. the game is to sell the data to any nation that bids the highest
- criley2 10y agoThe Sofacy Group (also known as APT28, Pawn Storm, Fancy Bear and Sednit) was linked to the FSB (Russian Intelligence) during the German Parliament attack http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?code=kwdwehme&headline=Russian_Hackers_Suspected_In_Cyberattack_On_German_Parliament http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?code=kwdwehme&headline=Russ...
- cloudjacker 10y agookay, but the article didn't say that
- throwawayReply 10y agoI think what's interesting is that a lot of the other recent leaks of user data were all from around 2012 or before. What has leaked since 2012 that we won't know about until 2020? I don't think it's necessary a problem that more current leaks are state sponsored. Firstly, that's their job. Secondly they're open about what they[1] are doing and are on a recruitment drive. Thirdly, the more leaks that are obviously state-sponsored suggests sites are better protected against johnny hacker and his downloaded scripts. [1] By "they" I mean the agencies who frequently pop up here with articles about how they're recruiting because of an ongoing cyber-war. (And yes, the word cyber is cringeworthy but it's the word used.)
- helloworld 10y agoSadly, I conclude that devices connected to the Internet are irremediably insecure. Air-gap it or lose it, I guess.
- criley2 10y agoDigital is dangerous. There's a reason why the Kremlin switched back to typewriters.
- goalieca 10y agofunny thing is that they had digital bugs in the 70s and 80s just for those digital typewriters. Mechanical hipsters rejoice!
- yolesaber 10y agoDigital typewriters are prey http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/selectric/ http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/selectric/
- linkregister 10y agoThe news stories from 2013 were amusing and compelling but all the articles reference an order of about a hundred typewriters. This implies an amazing level of productivity by Russian bureaucrats or that the typewriter order was not sufficient for their needs.
- bfuller 10y agoI can just imagine Richard Stallman tingling with pleasure reading comments like this (after pulling the html through his email server or whatever he does)
- Taek 10y agoThat is ultimately too pessimistic. Security is a gradient, and there's a lot you can do make yourself both a smaller target, and a harder target. Compartmentalization is one of the strongest defense tools we have. For example, with the icloud leaks an attacker was able to gain access to all the data in a single strike. If it's true that Apple can no longer decrypt user's icloud data, an attacker now needs to hack people one-by-one. Hacking takes time and effort, and a one-by-one payoff may make it that hacking icloud is no longer worth the effort. Users are safer, even though they are still theoretically vulnerable. A lot of people are stepping up to the plate to offer stronger security on digital systems. (Qubes, for example. Let's Encrypt, for example). If choose to take security seriously, hacking will become harder, the rewards will plummet, and the world will be safer.
- ezhik_ 10y agoWhy the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (maybe year or even more)? It sounds like a broken joke from 60s... Yes, I'm Russian. Yes, I live in Russia. And Yes, I like my country.
- jonathankoren 10y agoMaybe because the evidence both online and offline implicates them? Lest we forget the events of Sochi. http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453 http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453
- ezhik_ 10y agoYeah, but think about this points: a) this report is based on words of the man, that run away from Russia after the Prosecutor's office started an investigation about his actions on RUSADA president position. Charges against him includes selling a restricted drugs. His sister was sent to prison for selling a restricted drugs several year ago, but the investigators wasn't able to find "her dealer". b) this report is done by Richard Mclaren, who was one of the first people, that started to talk about such awful events is the sport world. So he i not the correct person to investigate such situation. c) Richard Mclaren and WADA said that the have a solid proves of the accusations in Sochi report, but still they declined to show them anybody including Tomas Bah. I don't support any of conspiracy theories, but this one smells very-very bad. b) Will the judge of any US court accept similar case with no evidence? If yes, then probably there is no any kind of problems with law in Russia...
- bsder 10y ago> Why the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (maybe year or even more)? It sounds like a broken joke from 60s... You are likely on solid ground accusing the US government of using Russia as an excuse. When you accuse WADA of being "pro-US"; however, you lose all your credibility.
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- kushti 10y agoHow WADA can distinguish Russian group from any other? How anti-doping agency becomes proficient in cyber security?
- Luc 10y agoGovernment & consultants.
- kushti 10y agoWhat government and who are the "consultants" ?
- Luc 10y agoYou just want to argue, don't you. I don't have time for this.
- tptecak 10y agoThat comment wasn't civil nor thoughtful as HN requires of each one of us that want to be part of this experiment. I hope next time you give us a piece of your mind it'll more representative of the best part of it.
- sctb 10y agoThis is a personal attack. We've banned this account, and we'll ban your main one if you do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tptacek 10y agoThere is an industry of reputable, large scale businesses that do attribution work. Generally, if you see attack attributions written up in major news outlets, one or more of them have concurred on the attribution. For instance: the HRC/DNC attribution started with CrowdStrike (whose executive team is not exactly HRC-friendly), and concurrences were later released by some of CrowdStrike's competitors. Attribution is obviously deeply imperfect. But it's not as simple as "this sure seems like Russian and there's some Cyrillic so let's call it a day".
- smaili 10y agoWhile it is an evolving situation, at present, we believe that access to ADAMS was obtained through spear phishing of email accounts; whereby, ADAMS passwords were obtained enabling access to ADAMS account information confined to the Rio 2016 Games. It's amazing that people are still being phished successfully.
- bsder 10y agoWhy? It's the standard security imbalance. The attacker only has to be successful once while the defenders have to never make a mistake.
- tjtrapp 10y agoI disagree. The attacks are becoming more sophisticated and fool the most seasoned techies. Additionally, when I ask "Baby boomers" if they understand phishing, they oftentimes say yes but then have trouble explaining what it is or how it is executed.
- atemerev 10y agoSpear phishing is not your regular fishing. It is tailored to your expectations and preferences. If you really expect some important email, you can easily click the link without looking at it.
- mulmen 10y agoMaintaining the attitude that you are not susceptible to being phished is a great way to get phished.
- conistonwater 10y ago> “This is just the tip of the iceberg,” a statement posted to the Fancy Bears site said. “Today’s sport is truly contaminated while the world is unaware of the large number of American doping athletes.” What's up with hackers and their English grammar? Shouldn't it be doping American athletes? This reminds of the adjective-word-order rule and Tolkien's "green great dragons" story. [1] [1] http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=27890 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=27890
- gaius 10y agoI'll wager their English is better than your Russian.
- supergirl 10y ago> Let it be known that these criminal acts are greatly compromising the effort by the global anti-doping community to re-establish trust in Russia Seems like they imply the Russian state is behind this but they don't explicitly say it, probably because they have no proof, as always. What trust do I have in WADA when they clearly have a bias against Russia?
- tptacek 10y agoThe conclusion is not WADA's, so your distrust of WADA has very little to do with the story.
- supergirl 10y agoWhat do you mean? That statement was made by Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA
- conistonwater 10y agoThey are not the organization that conducted the investigation.
- supergirl 10y agoYou didn't get me. In this post they say the attack originated in Russia. I hope you don't think that automatically means the government did it. In any case, wada does not explicitly accuse the government. But still they give that condescending statement, as if Russia now has to become a country without criminals to win trust back. I think it is telling of their bias.
- threeseed 10y agoThe extent of doping in Russia was far beyond anything seen elsewhere. So yes when you have a complete collapse in trust in a country they will have to earn their way back.
- k-mcgrady 10y agoHas there been an increase in the number of large hacks originating from Russia in the last 12-24 months or is reporting just increasing?
- kushti 10y agoAnother question is why doping tests data paid by taxpayers of the World are not public? Why do we need for hackers (thanks a lot guys dependless on your nation, race, gender etc) to know the truth?
- jacalata 10y agoLots of things are paid for with tax dollars that shouldn't be automatically public. Health care, school results - just because someone is an athlete doesn't mean they lose all right to privacy.
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- Valgerdur 10y agoThis is huge. It basically means that WADA confirms an attack by a Russian cyber espionage group. What's WADA you ask? I have no idea. Did I actually read the article? No.
- NN88 10y agoThis is insanity...and whats worse, is Russian state-media are trying to say they were doping...theres NO doping on those charts.
- ThinkBeat 10y agoAs far as leaks go I find it interesting. We see that athletes are allowed to take some very strong and beneficial drugs and its not doping. I had always pictured that "clean" athletes were not eating OxyContin or required vast amounts of asthma medication to make it through the day. (This last part if from a different disclosure). I think an adjustment to the current regiment would be that each athlete disclose exactly what type of drugs they are consuming. What is doping and what is not is not arbitrary but it certainly changes over time.
- jonah 10y agoMaybe we could let athletes take (and disclose) anything they wanted. Then we could develop a handicapping system similar to balance of power in Motorsport. It'd allow for more dimensions of strategy. Would be interesting to see how that would play out.
- __jal 10y agoJust like nearly any moral line, morals here are contingent. I think it is hardly necessary to point out the arbitrariness of which recreational drugs are illegal, with one of the most dangerous being legal and considered moral in moderation. As far as sports drugs, I honestly don't care about it, not being someone who watches or participates in any of them. But I strongly suspect that we'll see the "ok"/"not ok" lines being drawn towards maximizing viewers, perhaps with a sop towards athlete-health down the list somewhere. I also predict that conversations about doping will sometime soon indirectly put enough pressure on the US NFL to cause it serious problems about player brain injury. It is hard to worry about player health regarding drugs and ignore the people broken by other aspects of the games.
- denom 10y agoIt seems Simone Biles, and the Williams sisters are taking performance enhancing drugs. But the athletes in question have an exemption from the doping agency. More coverage over on the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/sports/simone-biles-serena-venus-williams-russian-hackers-doping.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/sports/simone-biles-serena...