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Possession of a license in the past for a license is relevant to future licensing That's not the case to my knowledge, as a matter of law or procedure, excludi

by hga 10y ago

Possession of a license in the past for a license is relevant to future licensing That's not the case to my knowledge, as a matter of law or procedure, excluding special cases like someone being a bit late to renew and getting grandfathered. Otherwise, getting a license again requires going through the whole process again, although you won't have to take a new qualification class or the like, as long as your retained your record of it. As for good or bad conduct with respect to the license, the former is inferred from a lack of records of the latter, and those are, indeed, permanent records, aside from various process laden executive or judicial remedies to pardon or otherwise expunge them. So, no, I see no need to keep forever records of CCW licenses. BTW, did you know 10 states have no concealed carry license requirement? And Missouri very possibly will join them this week.

Spooky23 10y ago
In New York, which I'm most familiar with, most licenses, including firearms are required to be kept for a minimum of 6 years after expiration or renewal. (See: http://www.archives.nysed.gov/records/retention_mu-1_public-safety http://www.archives.nysed.gov/records/retention_mu-1_public-... ) To be honest, I don't really care about concealed carry. I personally think that it's a dumb thing to do, but don't have an issue with anyone else doing it. But if licensing is required, you shouldn't have any special privacy right. If my dog license is available to whenever asks via FOIA, so should your carry permit.
- hga 10y ago
  You can't see a problem with the release of such politically charged info? That some people, even if they follow their employer's rules about not possessing on the job, would lose their jobs if that information was released? Or how such information is being used to trash people's careers in our field? Very few states, and only anti-gun ones like New York---in fact, the only one I know off the top of my head---make the lists public. And I think New York goes further with handgun possession permits, which few states require. Although that was useful for me to personally count the total number of NYC possession licenses, less than 60K each for long and handguns. A real outlier for the US, heck, it was noted as the Soviet Union fell that they trusted the residents of the capitol of Soviet Georgia more prior to instigating a seizure of them, then again, I've read estimates that the real number is more like 2-3 million for the 8 million total in the city.
  - Spooky23 10y ago
    > You can't see a problem with the release of such politically charged info? That some people, even if they follow their employer's rules about not possessing on the job, would lose their jobs if that information was released? Or how such information is being used to trash people's careers in our field? Most of the stuff is overblown. I've worked in public and private sector jobs where my or my family's political affiliation, public displays of support (ie. campaign contributions), current and past salary history and other info were all potentially career impacting, and all trivially available to the public. The reality is, that stuff didn't matter too much at all. New York's handgun laws are both insane. That's a separate issue.
    - hga 10y ago
      Most of the stuff is overblown. And you have no sympathy for those for whom it's not overblown? "If it saves just one career...." It's NYC's gun laws that are particularly insane, and ought to go down to a McDonald based challenge, but the Federal Courts, even before Scalia died, stopped enforcing such except for stun guns, even backtracked on Heller with SF's lock up your safety law.

by hga 10y ago

Spooky23 10y ago

In New York, which I'm most familiar with, most licenses, including firearms are required to be kept for a minimum of 6 years after expiration or renewal. (See: http://www.archives.nysed.gov/records/retention_mu-1_public-safety http://www.archives.nysed.gov/records/retention_mu-1_public-... ) To be honest, I don't really care about concealed carry. I personally think that it's a dumb thing to do, but don't have an issue with anyone else doing it. But if licensing is required, you shouldn't have any special privacy right. If my dog license is available to whenever asks via FOIA, so should your carry permit.

hga 10y ago
You can't see a problem with the release of such politically charged info? That some people, even if they follow their employer's rules about not possessing on the job, would lose their jobs if that information was released? Or how such information is being used to trash people's careers in our field? Very few states, and only anti-gun ones like New York---in fact, the only one I know off the top of my head---make the lists public. And I think New York goes further with handgun possession permits, which few states require. Although that was useful for me to personally count the total number of NYC possession licenses, less than 60K each for long and handguns. A real outlier for the US, heck, it was noted as the Soviet Union fell that they trusted the residents of the capitol of Soviet Georgia more prior to instigating a seizure of them, then again, I've read estimates that the real number is more like 2-3 million for the 8 million total in the city.
- Spooky23 10y ago
  > You can't see a problem with the release of such politically charged info? That some people, even if they follow their employer's rules about not possessing on the job, would lose their jobs if that information was released? Or how such information is being used to trash people's careers in our field? Most of the stuff is overblown. I've worked in public and private sector jobs where my or my family's political affiliation, public displays of support (ie. campaign contributions), current and past salary history and other info were all potentially career impacting, and all trivially available to the public. The reality is, that stuff didn't matter too much at all. New York's handgun laws are both insane. That's a separate issue.
  - hga 10y ago
    Most of the stuff is overblown. And you have no sympathy for those for whom it's not overblown? "If it saves just one career...." It's NYC's gun laws that are particularly insane, and ought to go down to a McDonald based challenge, but the Federal Courts, even before Scalia died, stopped enforcing such except for stun guns, even backtracked on Heller with SF's lock up your safety law.