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I don't think you can lump Russia and China together. China is truly "on lower moral/ethical grounds". I can't trust any country that has such pervasive censors

I don't think you can lump Russia and China together. China is truly "on lower moral/ethical grounds". I can't trust any country that has such pervasive censorship policy and such blatantly protectionist policies as China. Frankly I trust the Russian government as much as I trust the US government or as much as I trust my government (the Mexican government). I don't think I would feel safe living in China! I wouldn't even travel to China but that's just me.

kofejnik 10y ago
Russia is on a much lower ground ethically. China hasn't recently annexed territories from its neighbours whom they promised to protect and support just a few years ago.
- pbarnes_1 10y ago
  Or helped shoot down a passenger jet... Vladimir Putin is not our friend.
- radicsge 10y ago
  In this aspect there is really no differences between these 3 countries, China hasn't started a war like US, but using it's power to push boundaries in both west and east.
tajen 10y ago
What about a country which has one forth of the China population which has institutional rules about the police being able to seize the money you carry, your money on cards you carry and your car without even charging you with an offense, where 6% of the black population is in jail, and 1% of the total population, and where you can be routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or if you play poker at home or accused of treason of you publish information about some of the most impacting activities of the govt? I've already been in Russia, but I'll never go to USA.
- threeseed 10y ago
  Routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or playing poker ? You completely invalidate any point you had when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.
  - tajen 10y ago
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1168142/GRAPHIC-CONTENT-Mentally-ill-man-shot-dead-Dallas-Police.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1168142/GRAPHIC-... http://abc7.com/news/video-shows-unarmed-mentally-ill-man-shot-by-fresno-police/1262128/ http://abc7.com/news/video-shows-unarmed-mentally-ill-man-sh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjXLZbJnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjXLZbJnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwRMq_Fg5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwRMq_Fg5w http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515428/Police-shoot-dead-mental-patient-armed-scissors-officer-Taser-gun-hadnt-turned-up.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515428/Police-shoot... > seen by their willingness to bet and lose large amounts of money to take down sports bookies https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fairfax-swat-team-raids-high-stakes-great-falls-poker-game-seizes-cash-terrifies-players/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fair... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012502245.html?tid=a_inl http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01... http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18352-poker-players-take-plea-deal-after-swat-team-raids-their-virginia-home-game http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18352-poker-players-tak... https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/swat-team-raids-private-high-stakes-poker-game https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/sw... http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/ http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_m... I can't find the highly graphic one about the one who got shot, like, 18 times, while was unarmed in front of a shop. Anyway poker shooting is a reality: It's illegal gambling, therefore it's considered high-level criminality. Not to judge who's right or wrong, who's "supposed to know" and who's at risk - I'm only saying the risk of being shot dead by the USA police is immensely higher than in any other country in the world, including Russia and China.
- PerfectDlite 10y ago
mistermumble 10y ago
I've been in China three times in the past year. I agree that it is creepy not to be able to access Gmail, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube. But in terms of personal safety and freedom to walk around and see things, I felt very free. I feel more nervous walking around most North American cities' downtown area (LA, NYC, SF, Chicago). And also Mexico city. Nervousness with regard to both police and local citizenry.

kofejnik 10y ago

Russia is on a much lower ground ethically. China hasn't recently annexed territories from its neighbours whom they promised to protect and support just a few years ago.

pbarnes_1 10y ago
Or helped shoot down a passenger jet... Vladimir Putin is not our friend.
radicsge 10y ago
In this aspect there is really no differences between these 3 countries, China hasn't started a war like US, but using it's power to push boundaries in both west and east.

tajen 10y ago

What about a country which has one forth of the China population which has institutional rules about the police being able to seize the money you carry, your money on cards you carry and your car without even charging you with an offense, where 6% of the black population is in jail, and 1% of the total population, and where you can be routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or if you play poker at home or accused of treason of you publish information about some of the most impacting activities of the govt? I've already been in Russia, but I'll never go to USA.

threeseed 10y ago
Routinely shot dead if you are mentally disabled or playing poker ? You completely invalidate any point you had when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.
- tajen 10y ago
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1168142/GRAPHIC-CONTENT-Mentally-ill-man-shot-dead-Dallas-Police.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1168142/GRAPHIC-... http://abc7.com/news/video-shows-unarmed-mentally-ill-man-shot-by-fresno-police/1262128/ http://abc7.com/news/video-shows-unarmed-mentally-ill-man-sh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjXLZbJnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjXLZbJnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwRMq_Fg5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwRMq_Fg5w http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515428/Police-shoot-dead-mental-patient-armed-scissors-officer-Taser-gun-hadnt-turned-up.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515428/Police-shoot... > seen by their willingness to bet and lose large amounts of money to take down sports bookies https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fairfax-swat-team-raids-high-stakes-great-falls-poker-game-seizes-cash-terrifies-players/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/27/fair... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012502245.html?tid=a_inl http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01... http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18352-poker-players-take-plea-deal-after-swat-team-raids-their-virginia-home-game http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/18352-poker-players-tak... https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/swat-team-raids-private-high-stakes-poker-game https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/sw... http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/ http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_m... I can't find the highly graphic one about the one who got shot, like, 18 times, while was unarmed in front of a shop. Anyway poker shooting is a reality: It's illegal gambling, therefore it's considered high-level criminality. Not to judge who's right or wrong, who's "supposed to know" and who's at risk - I'm only saying the risk of being shot dead by the USA police is immensely higher than in any other country in the world, including Russia and China.
PerfectDlite 10y ago

mistermumble 10y ago

I've been in China three times in the past year. I agree that it is creepy not to be able to access Gmail, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube. But in terms of personal safety and freedom to walk around and see things, I felt very free. I feel more nervous walking around most North American cities' downtown area (LA, NYC, SF, Chicago). And also Mexico city. Nervousness with regard to both police and local citizenry.