I sort of agree and see that trend but on the other hand some projects are flourishing on Apache. My biggest gripe with the Apache community sphere is it is pa

I sort of agree and see that trend but on the other hand some projects are flourishing on Apache. My biggest gripe with the Apache community sphere is it is pain to contribute (I mentioned it here as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11121563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11121563) and there is often interesting politics that develop on the mailinglist between developers. It seems when you start talking but "organizational" + "community" things some interesting behaviors happen (like who is the head honcho and who should we kick out). On the other hand Apache does offer some continuity (in the event something happens to a lead developer) I suppose.