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I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that

by untog 10y ago

I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/775491205983371264?lang=en-gb https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...

oneloop 10y ago
You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media that you can't even think straight any more. I realise that this isn't really an argument, but I already presented my argument (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) and it didn't seem to make a difference, so i don't really care to continue this conversation.
- untog 10y ago
  Jesus Christ. No. It ought to be obvious to anyone that applying black and white judgements in these situations is idiotic. Do I think the US government is beyond reproach? No. Do I think the US government is more open and accountable than the Russian government? Yes. > (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) Yes, because the US government is open and accountable enough that this information is public. The same cannot be said for the Russian government.
  - alexro 10y ago
    Would Snowden agree with you?
    - untog 10y ago
      That's actually a very interesting question. I don't know. And I doubt he is currently in a position to be very frank and honest about it.
      - oneloop 10y ago
        There you go with your anti-russian bullshit again. Snowden talks shit about russia as well all the time. Why wouldn't he? Because putin comes and kill him, right?
daxorid 10y ago
One word: jurisdiction. The GU might read my emails, but they don't have the authority to execute 4am raids on my property and kill me with impunity in the name of "officer safety" as an eventual consequence of something XKeyScore flagged. At the end of the day, the people who have the guns and the authority to use them against you take a more prominent place in one's threat model than a foreign entity with no jurisdiction.

by untog 10y ago

oneloop 10y ago

You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media that you can't even think straight any more. I realise that this isn't really an argument, but I already presented my argument (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) and it didn't seem to make a difference, so i don't really care to continue this conversation.

untog 10y ago
Jesus Christ. No. It ought to be obvious to anyone that applying black and white judgements in these situations is idiotic. Do I think the US government is beyond reproach? No. Do I think the US government is more open and accountable than the Russian government? Yes. > (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) Yes, because the US government is open and accountable enough that this information is public. The same cannot be said for the Russian government.
- alexro 10y ago
  Would Snowden agree with you?
  - untog 10y ago
    That's actually a very interesting question. I don't know. And I doubt he is currently in a position to be very frank and honest about it.
    - oneloop 10y ago
      There you go with your anti-russian bullshit again. Snowden talks shit about russia as well all the time. Why wouldn't he? Because putin comes and kill him, right?

daxorid 10y ago

One word: jurisdiction. The GU might read my emails, but they don't have the authority to execute 4am raids on my property and kill me with impunity in the name of "officer safety" as an eventual consequence of something XKeyScore flagged. At the end of the day, the people who have the guns and the authority to use them against you take a more prominent place in one's threat model than a foreign entity with no jurisdiction.