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Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?

by oneloop 10y ago

niftich 10y ago
It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_sink https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...
- oneloop 10y ago
  Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    It's not really different, it's just that Google became well known when it only had Search.
  - niftich 10y ago
    A few things: - There are a lot of Googlers on HN, not so many Yandex-ers - Google, in the general public's minds, is buoyed by positive mindshare that was generated a very, very long time ago (early-to-mid-2000s). Today's Google has appreciably changed from those days, and yet their likeability has mostly been unaffected. - Google tried to make their lack of focus official by spinning off a corporate umbrella parent by the name 'Alphabet', like Philip Morris Companies the "tobacco" company renamed itself to 'Altria' in 2003 because at the time it owned 84% of Kraft Foods Inc., a large food and beverage company [1]. I maintain that to an American, Yandex is most analogous to Yahoo or AOL rather than Google, because Google is, as of writing, a company that makes money primarily from ads and is under transition to pursue higher revenue streams from business-to-business sources (like Google Cloud Services) more so than by brokering advertising. Whereas Yahoo or AOL are tech-media hybrids. I know Yahoo and AOL don't evoke such positive brand power anymore than, say, Google, but their structure I believe is more reflective of Yandex. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods_Inc#Philip_Morris_acquisition_and_merger_with_General_Foods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods_Inc#Philip_Morris_...
    - oneloop 10y ago
      I agree with you, and add that to a russian, the leader is yandex, not google. Now, I'm not saying that it's all relative, google is objectively be a better company in most respects. But in terms of the mindshare that you talk about, yandex beats google in russia.
    - postila 10y ago
      Rambler (rambler.ru) is more like Yahoo, not Yandex. Like Google, Yandex is more service-oriented, Rambler is more media-oriented. Rambler's numbers are also going down during many-many years, like Yahoo's. It alsotruggling from crazy rotations of C managers each few years during last ~15 years Like for Google, the main revenue stream for Yandex is also ads – they have >50% in market share in Russia, context ads network and RTB. With good Partner Network accepting websites. From recent products, Yandex.Taxi is a huge success, also taking leadership on Russian market, beating Uber and Gett. So with strong leadership in search, ads and young taxi markets in Russia it doesn't even close to Yahoo in comparison, it's definitely "Russian Google".
  - ivan_gammel 10y ago
    Not really "trying Google roadmap", because in some areas (search, maps, mail) Yandex was first. They were not as successful, however, due to the focus on Russian market, management and technology specifics and business climate.
comboy 10y ago
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kitchen+sink http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kitchen+sink
larsiusprime 10y ago
it comes from the phrase "Everything but the Kitchen Sink." So "kitchen sink" becomes a shorthand reference for the above phrase, which itself means, "a whole bunch of random stuff all collected together"
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Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?

by oneloop 10y ago

Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?

It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_sink https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...

oneloop 10y ago
Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.
- icebraining 10y ago
  It's not really different, it's just that Google became well known when it only had Search.
- niftich 10y ago
  A few things: - There are a lot of Googlers on HN, not so many Yandex-ers - Google, in the general public's minds, is buoyed by positive mindshare that was generated a very, very long time ago (early-to-mid-2000s). Today's Google has appreciably changed from those days, and yet their likeability has mostly been unaffected. - Google tried to make their lack of focus official by spinning off a corporate umbrella parent by the name 'Alphabet', like Philip Morris Companies the "tobacco" company renamed itself to 'Altria' in 2003 because at the time it owned 84% of Kraft Foods Inc., a large food and beverage company [1]. I maintain that to an American, Yandex is most analogous to Yahoo or AOL rather than Google, because Google is, as of writing, a company that makes money primarily from ads and is under transition to pursue higher revenue streams from business-to-business sources (like Google Cloud Services) more so than by brokering advertising. Whereas Yahoo or AOL are tech-media hybrids. I know Yahoo and AOL don't evoke such positive brand power anymore than, say, Google, but their structure I believe is more reflective of Yandex. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods_Inc#Philip_Morris_acquisition_and_merger_with_General_Foods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods_Inc#Philip_Morris_...
  - oneloop 10y ago
    I agree with you, and add that to a russian, the leader is yandex, not google. Now, I'm not saying that it's all relative, google is objectively be a better company in most respects. But in terms of the mindshare that you talk about, yandex beats google in russia.
  - postila 10y ago
    Rambler (rambler.ru) is more like Yahoo, not Yandex. Like Google, Yandex is more service-oriented, Rambler is more media-oriented. Rambler's numbers are also going down during many-many years, like Yahoo's. It alsotruggling from crazy rotations of C managers each few years during last ~15 years Like for Google, the main revenue stream for Yandex is also ads – they have >50% in market share in Russia, context ads network and RTB. With good Partner Network accepting websites. From recent products, Yandex.Taxi is a huge success, also taking leadership on Russian market, beating Uber and Gett. So with strong leadership in search, ads and young taxi markets in Russia it doesn't even close to Yahoo in comparison, it's definitely "Russian Google".
- ivan_gammel 10y ago
  Not really "trying Google roadmap", because in some areas (search, maps, mail) Yandex was first. They were not as successful, however, due to the focus on Russian market, management and technology specifics and business climate.

comboy 10y ago

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kitchen+sink http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kitchen+sink

larsiusprime 10y ago

it comes from the phrase "Everything but the Kitchen Sink." So "kitchen sink" becomes a shorthand reference for the above phrase, which itself means, "a whole bunch of random stuff all collected together"

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