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You're assuming that everyone shares your world view. I'm a happy Adblock Plus user and I like this move. Advertising, in general, does not bother me. I occas

You're assuming that everyone shares your world view. I'm a happy Adblock Plus user and I like this move. Advertising, in general, does not bother me. I occasionally even find it valuable. Ads on sites like Google and Facebook are perfectly fine by me—I just don't want big, animated ads or (more frequently) broken ones which prevent me from reading content. In fact, I already go out of my way to disable ABP on sites where the ads are acceptable. Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people are perfectly fine with ads so long as they're not invasive.

newscracker 10y ago
> Ads on sites like Google and Facebook are perfectly fine by me—I just don't want big, animated ads or (more frequently) broken ones which prevent me from reading content. Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Apart from Facebook tracking, I block ads on Facebook because of these too.
- morgante 10y ago
  > Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Not at all. I honestly don't even understand how you could think they are. They're literally just a (static) image and a few lines of text. Heck, I often even find Facebook ads to be inherently valuable. Most of them are for services I use and like.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    They aren't very valuable if you are already using and liking the advertised service.
beefield 10y ago
> Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people are perfectly fine with ads so long as they're not invasive. I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I do not have that illusion, and I do not like people that are manipulating me for their own benefit. I do not know if they are evil, but I think it is fair for me to try to avoid those kind of people.
- morgante 10y ago
  > I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I certainly don't pretend that advertising has no impact on me. I also don't think I'm a mindless drone who does whatever advertisers say. Advertising is not zero sum. It can be effective and good for the consumer. For example, I have Charles Schwab account because I once saw it in a magazine ad, did some research, and have been a happy customer ever since. Both Schwab and I won, even though they "manipulated" me into learning about their excellent offering. > I do not have that illusion, and I do not like people that are manipulating me for their own benefit. You should probably never leave your house then, because almost every person in the world is trying to (subtly) manipulate you. Manipulation isn't evil.
  - nercht12 10y ago
    Aren't you manipulating him into not leaving his house? /jt The kinds of ads Ad Block Plus allows will be interesting. With the push for analytics, enabling any ads may allow some crafty shnooks to manipulate the system and figure out your personal interests. It's fine to tell a person directly what you want, but it's annoying when they spy on you all the time. That said, I agree that advertising is a good thing, just that marketing has focused too much on direct advertising and less and actually being accommodating. This article showed up on HN not too long ago, but it's still worth reading twice: https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/07/how-google-analytics-ruined-marketing/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/07/how-google-analytics-ruine...
- spoiler 10y ago
  I agree with what you say, but advertising (more specifically Google's Adwords) actually introduced me to a couple of interesting services/products! Was I manipulated? Definitely, because I clicked the ad, but I don't mind because I also benefited. However, a lot of adverts are subterfuge these days and I did fall for one (to shame it, it was TrackR Bravo, which works nothing like its advertised, to make matters worse it was part of a present), so one does need to be careful.
- Goronmon 10y ago
  I do not know if they are evil, but I think it is fair for me to try to avoid those kind of people. This is a fine stance to have, but I don't see how it relates to the context of ad-blockers. It's a simple enough just to not visit websites that display advertisements. Why would you need an adblocker for that?
chippy 10y ago
> Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people on HN make their living off advertising I would wager!
serge2k 10y ago
Blocking ads so you can show your own is pretty evil though.
- morgante 10y ago
  That's not how this program works. The publisher has to opt in and still gets 80% of the revenue from the program.

newscracker 10y ago

> Ads on sites like Google and Facebook are perfectly fine by me—I just don't want big, animated ads or (more frequently) broken ones which prevent me from reading content. Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Apart from Facebook tracking, I block ads on Facebook because of these too.

morgante 10y ago
> Honest question - don't the sidebar ads (on the right) on Facebook look ugly and intrusive to you (more so since they also change often)? Not at all. I honestly don't even understand how you could think they are. They're literally just a (static) image and a few lines of text. Heck, I often even find Facebook ads to be inherently valuable. Most of them are for services I use and like.
- majewsky 10y ago
  They aren't very valuable if you are already using and liking the advertised service.

beefield 10y ago

> Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people are perfectly fine with ads so long as they're not invasive. I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I do not have that illusion, and I do not like people that are manipulating me for their own benefit. I do not know if they are evil, but I think it is fair for me to try to avoid those kind of people.

morgante 10y ago
> I would guess most people have this idea (in most cases illusion) that advertisers are not able to manipulate them. I certainly don't pretend that advertising has no impact on me. I also don't think I'm a mindless drone who does whatever advertisers say. Advertising is not zero sum. It can be effective and good for the consumer. For example, I have Charles Schwab account because I once saw it in a magazine ad, did some research, and have been a happy customer ever since. Both Schwab and I won, even though they "manipulated" me into learning about their excellent offering. > I do not have that illusion, and I do not like people that are manipulating me for their own benefit. You should probably never leave your house then, because almost every person in the world is trying to (subtly) manipulate you. Manipulation isn't evil.
- nercht12 10y ago
  Aren't you manipulating him into not leaving his house? /jt The kinds of ads Ad Block Plus allows will be interesting. With the push for analytics, enabling any ads may allow some crafty shnooks to manipulate the system and figure out your personal interests. It's fine to tell a person directly what you want, but it's annoying when they spy on you all the time. That said, I agree that advertising is a good thing, just that marketing has focused too much on direct advertising and less and actually being accommodating. This article showed up on HN not too long ago, but it's still worth reading twice: https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/07/how-google-analytics-ruined-marketing/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/07/how-google-analytics-ruine...
spoiler 10y ago
I agree with what you say, but advertising (more specifically Google's Adwords) actually introduced me to a couple of interesting services/products! Was I manipulated? Definitely, because I clicked the ad, but I don't mind because I also benefited. However, a lot of adverts are subterfuge these days and I did fall for one (to shame it, it was TrackR Bravo, which works nothing like its advertised, to make matters worse it was part of a present), so one does need to be careful.
Goronmon 10y ago
I do not know if they are evil, but I think it is fair for me to try to avoid those kind of people. This is a fine stance to have, but I don't see how it relates to the context of ad-blockers. It's a simple enough just to not visit websites that display advertisements. Why would you need an adblocker for that?

chippy 10y ago

> Contrary to what people on HN believe, advertising is not inherently evil. Most people on HN make their living off advertising I would wager!

serge2k 10y ago

Blocking ads so you can show your own is pretty evil though.

morgante 10y ago
That's not how this program works. The publisher has to opt in and still gets 80% of the revenue from the program.