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Yes. I know how you feel. As a libertarian, I'm extremely upset at the police and security state we've created. This has to stop. At the same time, if a major
by DanielBMarkham 10y ago
Yes. I know how you feel.
As a libertarian, I'm extremely upset at the police and security state we've created. This has to stop.
At the same time, if a major crime occurs and there were indications it was going to happen, police are not supposed to be caught flat-footed. So I would expect any professional police force to have files on groups and people that they believe could cause major crimes. I also think they should have contingency plans for when major threats happen.
The problem is that computers have taken away any definition of "reasonable" If J. Edgar Hoover wanted to detail a platoon of FBI agents to monitor MLK I feel that it was a waste of time. Hell, it was probably also a travesty of justice. Hoover should have been fired for it.
But he could only do that so many times before he ran out of agents. The physicality of the system made it self-limiting.
Now we're living in an era where those limits are gone. There is no limiting factor any more.
In the U.S., we need constitutional guidance here -- some agreement on the limits we expect the government to observe. I thought we were clear enough about that the first time around, but the courts seem to think that the plain language of our Constitution and Bill of Rights has so many loopholes and odd provisions that it doesn't actually do any of the things it was supposed to do. That's gotta be fixed. I don't see a solution outside of that.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoPerhaps the solution is bilateral surveillance which is to say a database of all the interactions of everyone who works in government which can be consulted by people outside of government when they suspect the government employee may be engaged in criminal activity. I mention that because there is mounting evidence that police wearing always on body cams really curbs complaints about police brutality and excessive force. Now some of that is clearly people who realize that if their behavior is shown they won't be able to sustain the argument that the police action was unwarranted. However, evidence is accumulating that police are less likely to engage in risky or borderline unethical behavior when they know they are being monitored. The bottom line is better governance with fewer complaints and that is a good thing for everyone involved.
- hx87 10y agoIt's a good proposal, and needs to be extended to government contractors (and subcontractors, and sub-subcontractors, ...) and all those who work for them, otherwise it would just provide another excuse to contract everything out.
- talmand 10y agoPreventing crime is not a primary function of the police.