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The Intercept seems to have a real problem with providing fair coverage of anything related to Israel. The problems of incitement to violence on Facebook result

The Intercept seems to have a real problem with providing fair coverage of anything related to Israel. The problems of incitement to violence on Facebook result in actualized civilian deaths in Israel.

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joobus 10y ago
Israel has a real problem allowing journalists to accurately cover Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.
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- reitanqild 10y ago
  Sources, please ?
- anon1385 10y ago
  For those asking for evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/14/media-frustrated-over-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/14/media-frustrat... >UK news organisations are becoming increasingly frustrated by the continuing ban preventing foreign correspondents from crossing into the Gaza Strip, more than two weeks after Israel's military offensive against Hamas began. >After months of attempting to limit access, the Israel Defence Forces are still refusing to open the Erez crossing they closed on 27 December, when the bombing campaign began, to anything other than humanitarian aid – despite a supreme court ruling ordering the government to allow members of the international press into Gaza. >David Mannion, the ITV News editor-in-chief, branded the Israeli media ban "disgraceful", while Dominic Wagthorn, the Sky News Middle East correspondent, said the "unprecedented" level of interference was "very frustrating".
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Last time I've checked Gaza also borders Egypt, the Egyptians also aren't keen on letting anyone through, and they've have been stepping up since the war in the Sinai started 5 years ago and arms were flowing both in and out of Gaza. The Egyptians actually fire across the border, flood tunnels with sewage, and without going out on a full on assault do pretty much the same thing the Israelis do but since it's Egypt (almost) no one is reporting on it.
  - lr4444lr 10y ago
    That's not evidence of suppressing news about the occupation. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
    - Synaesthesia 10y ago
      Still controls everything that goes in and out of Gaza. Including essential supplies like medicinea and food. They also reserve the "right" to invade Gaza whenever necessary, while keeping the population locked in. The whole world agrees that it constitutes an occupation.
      - lr4444lr 10y ago
        > Still controls everything that goes in and out of Gaza Gaza is a part of a separate sovereign state, with which Israel has tense foreign relations and is within its rights to control exports. and they're posting border guards for those exiting it. It's legally no different from inspections that take place at U.S./Mexico border checkpoints. > They also reserve the "right" to invade Gaza whenever necessary Source? > while keeping the population locked in Source? No country is obligated (except for E.U. member states) to allow the free flow of people without visas. The only thing I've read which might qualify for this claim is naval blockade of the coastline. > The whole world agrees that it constitutes an occupation Gaza? Source?
        Synaesthesia 10y ago
        Gaza is being kept separated from the West Bank and the rest of the world by a total blockade, maintained by Israel in violation of the Oslo accords, which Israel signed 20 years ago. Immediately after the signing of those accords (1993) Gaza was closed off with a fence and travel was severely curtailed with an electronic card system. The blockade has only become more severe since then. Regarding you request for source on the "right to invade Gaza": > "Israel will continue to control Gaza's coastline and airspace and reserves the right to undertake military operations when necessary. (Art 3.1)." http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/mfadocuments/pages/revised%20disengagement%20plan%206-june-2004.aspx http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/mfadocuments/p... This is also evident by the many incursions Israel has made on Gaza. Israel is still firing shells into Gaza with tanks and mortars! https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hundreds+attacks+gaza+2016&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=gaza+attacked+2016+tanks https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hundred... Regarding the Israeli control of Gaza being an occupation: >In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
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ihsw 10y ago
And Israeli settlers have no qualms with using FB to incite violence (including deaths) just the same. This is a tug of war between cultures, all sides are culpable.
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Sources, please?
  - ihsw 10y ago
    Here: https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=709632 https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=709632 Cited directly from the submission that you clearly did not read. Soldiers themselves are posting online calling for the death of Palestinians. This is very far from the case of uneducated Muslims being whipped into a frenzy, and I say that as someone that adamantly views the Israel-Arab schism as a fight between civilized men and savages. I'm about as pro-Israel as you can get but the conduct of Israelis can get just as disgusting as their Arab detractors.
    - reitanqild 10y ago
      Thanks! I'm all for facts and I clearly missed this.
      - ihsw 10y ago
        Read the article, it's all about how Israel is going above and beyond its data-sharing partnership with Facebook to unfairly impose censorship rules for behavior that they themselves are guilty of. Hypocrisy at its finest. There are more links to sources in the article.
        reitanqild 10y ago
        Feel free to read my sources currently at the bottom of this page where Facebook had to admit that their moderation was clearly biaded against Israel as late as in January this year.
Inlinked 10y ago
Overall, the reporting is biased to critiquing reports on Israel, but the reports themselves are not biased. Wonder how much of that selective reporting is Omidyar vs. the journalists.
__jal 10y ago
So read the article blanking out the word "Israel". It doesn't matter what country it is. Or put another way, if you support this, you also (whether you realize it or not) support China, Iran, the UAE, North Korea, etc. etc. etc. doing the same thing. Think you don't? Just wait for the arguments after one of those does something awful.
MichaelGG 10y ago
"Fair" coverage of Israel would almost overwhelmingly be called anti-Semitic. It's entirely possible that there's two sides to a story and one side is just completely wrong. If any other country in that part of the world acted the same way, they'd be on a huge sanctions list.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Turkey and China, one can also say that no western country would be showing so much restraint to 100,000 rockets being fired into it's civilian population over a decade. While you can distil the fact that Israel is "wrong" their main offense is their existence, not any single act or policy, pre-1967 there was a "Palestinian Liberation" agenda also that one focused on Israel proper, after 1967 when the current Palestinian territories were captured from Egypt and Jordan it shifted, but overall the end game has never changed. No one in the west or elsewhere was claiming that Egypt or Jordan were occupying Palestine, no one in the west objected Egypt shelling Gaza pretty much every other night, and no one dragged Jordan to the Hague for Black September, ironically enough the "Black September" terrorist organization which murdered the Israeli athletes during the Munich olympics was named for a terrible event that Israel had nothing to do with, but instead of going to attack Jordanian athletes for the 20,000 Palestinians that the Jordanian army butchered they went after the Israeli delegation.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    No ones hands are clean over there. Israel's response to the athletes' murder was not exactly "good world citizen" stuff either. But that's beside the point. I was thinking more along the lines of stealing US nuclear tech, false-flagging, attacks on US, high-level espionage and "turning" top government officials, negotiating for top posts, etc. Or the whole "mess with us and we'll nuke the world" stance. Behaviour that's unbecoming of such a close ally, and that would be more expected to be coming from North Korea (if they had the resources). Maybe "everyone" does this kind of stuff, but these ones are public knowledge yet bringing them up is usually reacted to very negatively.
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joobus 10y ago

Israel has a real problem allowing journalists to accurately cover Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

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reitanqild 10y ago
Sources, please ?
anon1385 10y ago
For those asking for evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/14/media-frustrated-over-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/14/media-frustrat... >UK news organisations are becoming increasingly frustrated by the continuing ban preventing foreign correspondents from crossing into the Gaza Strip, more than two weeks after Israel's military offensive against Hamas began. >After months of attempting to limit access, the Israel Defence Forces are still refusing to open the Erez crossing they closed on 27 December, when the bombing campaign began, to anything other than humanitarian aid – despite a supreme court ruling ordering the government to allow members of the international press into Gaza. >David Mannion, the ITV News editor-in-chief, branded the Israeli media ban "disgraceful", while Dominic Wagthorn, the Sky News Middle East correspondent, said the "unprecedented" level of interference was "very frustrating".
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Last time I've checked Gaza also borders Egypt, the Egyptians also aren't keen on letting anyone through, and they've have been stepping up since the war in the Sinai started 5 years ago and arms were flowing both in and out of Gaza. The Egyptians actually fire across the border, flood tunnels with sewage, and without going out on a full on assault do pretty much the same thing the Israelis do but since it's Egypt (almost) no one is reporting on it.
- lr4444lr 10y ago
  That's not evidence of suppressing news about the occupation. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
  - Synaesthesia 10y ago
    Still controls everything that goes in and out of Gaza. Including essential supplies like medicinea and food. They also reserve the "right" to invade Gaza whenever necessary, while keeping the population locked in. The whole world agrees that it constitutes an occupation.
    - lr4444lr 10y ago
      > Still controls everything that goes in and out of Gaza Gaza is a part of a separate sovereign state, with which Israel has tense foreign relations and is within its rights to control exports. and they're posting border guards for those exiting it. It's legally no different from inspections that take place at U.S./Mexico border checkpoints. > They also reserve the "right" to invade Gaza whenever necessary Source? > while keeping the population locked in Source? No country is obligated (except for E.U. member states) to allow the free flow of people without visas. The only thing I've read which might qualify for this claim is naval blockade of the coastline. > The whole world agrees that it constitutes an occupation Gaza? Source?
      - Synaesthesia 10y ago
        Gaza is being kept separated from the West Bank and the rest of the world by a total blockade, maintained by Israel in violation of the Oslo accords, which Israel signed 20 years ago. Immediately after the signing of those accords (1993) Gaza was closed off with a fence and travel was severely curtailed with an electronic card system. The blockade has only become more severe since then. Regarding you request for source on the "right to invade Gaza": > "Israel will continue to control Gaza's coastline and airspace and reserves the right to undertake military operations when necessary. (Art 3.1)." http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/mfadocuments/pages/revised%20disengagement%20plan%206-june-2004.aspx http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/mfadocuments/p... This is also evident by the many incursions Israel has made on Gaza. Israel is still firing shells into Gaza with tanks and mortars! https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hundreds+attacks+gaza+2016&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=gaza+attacked+2016+tanks https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hundred... Regarding the Israeli control of Gaza being an occupation: >In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
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ihsw 10y ago

And Israeli settlers have no qualms with using FB to incite violence (including deaths) just the same. This is a tug of war between cultures, all sides are culpable.

reitanqild 10y ago
Sources, please?
- ihsw 10y ago
  Here: https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=709632 https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=709632 Cited directly from the submission that you clearly did not read. Soldiers themselves are posting online calling for the death of Palestinians. This is very far from the case of uneducated Muslims being whipped into a frenzy, and I say that as someone that adamantly views the Israel-Arab schism as a fight between civilized men and savages. I'm about as pro-Israel as you can get but the conduct of Israelis can get just as disgusting as their Arab detractors.
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    Thanks! I'm all for facts and I clearly missed this.
    - ihsw 10y ago
      Read the article, it's all about how Israel is going above and beyond its data-sharing partnership with Facebook to unfairly impose censorship rules for behavior that they themselves are guilty of. Hypocrisy at its finest. There are more links to sources in the article.
      - reitanqild 10y ago
        Feel free to read my sources currently at the bottom of this page where Facebook had to admit that their moderation was clearly biaded against Israel as late as in January this year.

Inlinked 10y ago

Overall, the reporting is biased to critiquing reports on Israel, but the reports themselves are not biased. Wonder how much of that selective reporting is Omidyar vs. the journalists.

__jal 10y ago

So read the article blanking out the word "Israel". It doesn't matter what country it is. Or put another way, if you support this, you also (whether you realize it or not) support China, Iran, the UAE, North Korea, etc. etc. etc. doing the same thing. Think you don't? Just wait for the arguments after one of those does something awful.

MichaelGG 10y ago

"Fair" coverage of Israel would almost overwhelmingly be called anti-Semitic. It's entirely possible that there's two sides to a story and one side is just completely wrong. If any other country in that part of the world acted the same way, they'd be on a huge sanctions list.

dogma1138 10y ago
Turkey and China, one can also say that no western country would be showing so much restraint to 100,000 rockets being fired into it's civilian population over a decade. While you can distil the fact that Israel is "wrong" their main offense is their existence, not any single act or policy, pre-1967 there was a "Palestinian Liberation" agenda also that one focused on Israel proper, after 1967 when the current Palestinian territories were captured from Egypt and Jordan it shifted, but overall the end game has never changed. No one in the west or elsewhere was claiming that Egypt or Jordan were occupying Palestine, no one in the west objected Egypt shelling Gaza pretty much every other night, and no one dragged Jordan to the Hague for Black September, ironically enough the "Black September" terrorist organization which murdered the Israeli athletes during the Munich olympics was named for a terrible event that Israel had nothing to do with, but instead of going to attack Jordanian athletes for the 20,000 Palestinians that the Jordanian army butchered they went after the Israeli delegation.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  No ones hands are clean over there. Israel's response to the athletes' murder was not exactly "good world citizen" stuff either. But that's beside the point. I was thinking more along the lines of stealing US nuclear tech, false-flagging, attacks on US, high-level espionage and "turning" top government officials, negotiating for top posts, etc. Or the whole "mess with us and we'll nuke the world" stance. Behaviour that's unbecoming of such a close ally, and that would be more expected to be coming from North Korea (if they had the resources). Maybe "everyone" does this kind of stuff, but these ones are public knowledge yet bringing them up is usually reacted to very negatively.
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