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Python would like a word with you about point 1)

by gr3yh47 10y ago

corv 10y ago
Python on iOS?
- nodja 10y ago
  It's not pretty but: https://kivy.org/docs/guide/packaging-ios.html https://kivy.org/docs/guide/packaging-ios.html
  - corv 10y ago
    Interesting
baldfat 10y ago
Well I have yet to see Python make a decent cross platform application on all of those platforms especially iOS and Android. I love Python but people over state its benefits and effectiveness.
- Loic 10y ago
  Python is wonderful for business logic and scientific computations. HTML/JavaScript is wonderful to make beautiful interactive user interfaces. So at the moment, I am using PyQt/PySide and load my HTML/JavaScript/ReactJS GUI in a webview with a simple bridge object between my Python code and the JavaScript code. As soon as I need native interactions with the file system, etc., I am using Python, which is robust and proven (and I am used to it). For example, if I need a dialog to save a file, I just use QFileDialog. At the end, because of a clear separation between the GUI and the computation/system interactions with the bridge object, I just need a different bridge object to have everything running fully online. One point is of course that I am not developing for phones and tablets, I package everything with pyinstaller for the good old desktop users.
raquo 10y ago
Honest question – how do you build cross-platform application UI in python?
- mixedCase 10y ago
  Kivy.
- eyko 10y ago
  I'm not familiar with the Python ecosystem but I imagine there are bidings for GTK, QT, or other UI toolkits. The same applies to most (popular) languages. The claim that HTML/CSS/JS is the "only" truly cross platform stack is simply not true. The main hurdle that other languages faced was not having a native UI. For example, GTK on OSX or Windows did not feel native. Key bindings were often not native. Similar story with Java (was it Swing?). The HTML/JS/CSS combo has exactly the same issue (it's not comparable to a native GUI - Cocoa or whatever it is.
  - falcolas 10y ago
    > The main hurdle that other languages faced was not having a native UI. Electron faces this same hurdle, but with a twist. It just doesn't care; it picks a rendering target (the web) and simply uses it everywhere. Perhaps that's the approach QT and others need to take as well: stop trying to match Apple's UI on Apple, and Windows' UI on Windows.
    - mgkimsal 10y ago
      > stop trying to match Apple's UI on Apple, and Windows' UI on Windows. Great idea, but make sure it at least looks/feels good. I remember Swing stuff from the late 90s and... IMO the primary issue wasn't so much that "it doesn't look like Windows" but that ... it was a very poor experience. Copy/paste/keys - yeah, that's an annoyance, but if the UI is clean, friendly, easy to understand and be productive on, people can look past the differences of the native host OS. Swing (and GTK and others) really don't provide a 'better' UX (imo).
woah 10y ago
I use a network simulation software inside of lubuntu inside of a VirtualBox inside my Mac. VirtualBox is a stream of headaches, and you suffer a big performance hit. What I wouldn't give for the software to serve an http/css/js interface so that I could run it with docker or natively instead.
- vetinari 10y ago
  Make sure that the virtual machine has "paravirtualization interface: kvm" setting for linux guests, that the guest tools are installed and if you really use network, adapter type: virtio-net doesn't hurt. And also, that you have enough RAM. Then, virtual machines in VirtualBox are fine.
  - woah 10y ago
    Thanks! Good samaritan :)
reitanqild 10y ago
Java as well for basically anything but iOS. C# might even cover that now.
- __derek__ 10y ago
  Xamarin, I reckon?[1] [1]: https://www.xamarin.com/ https://www.xamarin.com/
st3v3r 10y ago
Python can work on desktop, but it's solutions for mobile are iffy at best.

Python would like a word with you about point 1)

by gr3yh47 10y ago

Python would like a word with you about point 1)

corv 10y ago

Python on iOS?

nodja 10y ago
It's not pretty but: https://kivy.org/docs/guide/packaging-ios.html https://kivy.org/docs/guide/packaging-ios.html
- corv 10y ago
  Interesting

baldfat 10y ago

Well I have yet to see Python make a decent cross platform application on all of those platforms especially iOS and Android. I love Python but people over state its benefits and effectiveness.

Loic 10y ago
Python is wonderful for business logic and scientific computations. HTML/JavaScript is wonderful to make beautiful interactive user interfaces. So at the moment, I am using PyQt/PySide and load my HTML/JavaScript/ReactJS GUI in a webview with a simple bridge object between my Python code and the JavaScript code. As soon as I need native interactions with the file system, etc., I am using Python, which is robust and proven (and I am used to it). For example, if I need a dialog to save a file, I just use QFileDialog. At the end, because of a clear separation between the GUI and the computation/system interactions with the bridge object, I just need a different bridge object to have everything running fully online. One point is of course that I am not developing for phones and tablets, I package everything with pyinstaller for the good old desktop users.

raquo 10y ago

Honest question – how do you build cross-platform application UI in python?

mixedCase 10y ago
Kivy.
eyko 10y ago
I'm not familiar with the Python ecosystem but I imagine there are bidings for GTK, QT, or other UI toolkits. The same applies to most (popular) languages. The claim that HTML/CSS/JS is the "only" truly cross platform stack is simply not true. The main hurdle that other languages faced was not having a native UI. For example, GTK on OSX or Windows did not feel native. Key bindings were often not native. Similar story with Java (was it Swing?). The HTML/JS/CSS combo has exactly the same issue (it's not comparable to a native GUI - Cocoa or whatever it is.
- falcolas 10y ago
  > The main hurdle that other languages faced was not having a native UI. Electron faces this same hurdle, but with a twist. It just doesn't care; it picks a rendering target (the web) and simply uses it everywhere. Perhaps that's the approach QT and others need to take as well: stop trying to match Apple's UI on Apple, and Windows' UI on Windows.
  - mgkimsal 10y ago
    > stop trying to match Apple's UI on Apple, and Windows' UI on Windows. Great idea, but make sure it at least looks/feels good. I remember Swing stuff from the late 90s and... IMO the primary issue wasn't so much that "it doesn't look like Windows" but that ... it was a very poor experience. Copy/paste/keys - yeah, that's an annoyance, but if the UI is clean, friendly, easy to understand and be productive on, people can look past the differences of the native host OS. Swing (and GTK and others) really don't provide a 'better' UX (imo).

woah 10y ago

I use a network simulation software inside of lubuntu inside of a VirtualBox inside my Mac. VirtualBox is a stream of headaches, and you suffer a big performance hit. What I wouldn't give for the software to serve an http/css/js interface so that I could run it with docker or natively instead.

vetinari 10y ago
Make sure that the virtual machine has "paravirtualization interface: kvm" setting for linux guests, that the guest tools are installed and if you really use network, adapter type: virtio-net doesn't hurt. And also, that you have enough RAM. Then, virtual machines in VirtualBox are fine.
- woah 10y ago
  Thanks! Good samaritan :)

reitanqild 10y ago

Java as well for basically anything but iOS. C# might even cover that now.

__derek__ 10y ago
Xamarin, I reckon?[1] [1]: https://www.xamarin.com/ https://www.xamarin.com/

st3v3r 10y ago

Python can work on desktop, but it's solutions for mobile are iffy at best.