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I was replying to "We as a society... drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice." The average parent isn't going to fil

I was replying to "We as a society... drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice." The average parent isn't going to fill their mini van with a bunch of 12 year olds and drop them off with the instructions to sneek into a film that they won't be otherwise allowed into. That hypothetical parent would be shamed on the evening news if caught. That's all I'm saying, not that it was impossible to sneek into an R rated film. The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction.

omginternets 10y ago
>The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. In it's precise form, maybe, but it's certainly not a fiction insofar as we very much tolerate children being exposed to violence. It might not be at the literal movie theater, but that's completely and utterly beside the point. The average parent has no qualms about showing violence to children. That is not a complete and total fiction. With respect, you're quibbling over trivia.
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) the average parent does not expose their children to violence or violent imagery especially not in middle school. Where the hell do you live where that's the case?
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) The level of violence in PG-13 rated films has increased drastically since the rating was introduced, so, its quite likely that this has changed drastically since you were a kid if it was "a very long time ago".
  - omginternets 10y ago
    Gaaah we're tripping up the anti-flame filters, so I apologize for the slow response. I think I understand what you're objecting to, so let me try to tackle this from a different angle. Consider how pissed your average neighbor would be if I showed Inception to one of their kids. Now imagine how pissed they would be if I showed them Eyes Wide Shut. Do you see it now? Right or wrong, for better or worse, Americans are more enraged by things of sexual nature than violent nature. Ounce for ounce, violence is less shocking than sex and nudity. This is why the principle distinguishing factor between PG-13 and R ratings is sex and nudity, not violence! Yes, obviously conscientious parents try to shield small children from violence, but here's the thing: I moved to France from Delaware and parents here don't give a flying fuck in a handbasket if their children see nudity. Actual sexual intercourse or lewdness is another issue, but newspaper kiosks show topless women in plain view and nobody cares. Statues have penises and nobody cares. I don't think things have drastically changed since your childhood. Rather, I think this is a very difficult thing to see if you've grown up in the midst of it without spending significant time abroad (though maybe you have and we simply disagree?)
  - serge2k 10y ago
    I probably saw die hard and other movies like that in middle school. I remember seeing saving private ryan around that time too. The only movie that ever really bothered me for violence was the passion of the christ.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> I was replying to "We as a society... drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice." But the R-rated comment was fairly irrelevant to that (or, rather, counterproductive, since it says more about sex than violence.) PG-13 movies aren't less violent than R-rated movies. [0] > The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. Except that is completely true; heck, arguably "without even thinking once" is more accurate, since imagining that the lack of an R-rating means that a movie isn't violent isn't so much thinking as finding an excuse to avoid thought. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pg-13-movies-match-r-rating-for-violence-study-says/2013/11/10/4e6b3f8c-4893-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pg-13...

omginternets 10y ago

>The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. In it's precise form, maybe, but it's certainly not a fiction insofar as we very much tolerate children being exposed to violence. It might not be at the literal movie theater, but that's completely and utterly beside the point. The average parent has no qualms about showing violence to children. That is not a complete and total fiction. With respect, you're quibbling over trivia.

nommm-nommm 10y ago
Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) the average parent does not expose their children to violence or violent imagery especially not in middle school. Where the hell do you live where that's the case?
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Unless its changed drastically since I was a kid (which I admit was a very long time ago) The level of violence in PG-13 rated films has increased drastically since the rating was introduced, so, its quite likely that this has changed drastically since you were a kid if it was "a very long time ago".
- omginternets 10y ago
  Gaaah we're tripping up the anti-flame filters, so I apologize for the slow response. I think I understand what you're objecting to, so let me try to tackle this from a different angle. Consider how pissed your average neighbor would be if I showed Inception to one of their kids. Now imagine how pissed they would be if I showed them Eyes Wide Shut. Do you see it now? Right or wrong, for better or worse, Americans are more enraged by things of sexual nature than violent nature. Ounce for ounce, violence is less shocking than sex and nudity. This is why the principle distinguishing factor between PG-13 and R ratings is sex and nudity, not violence! Yes, obviously conscientious parents try to shield small children from violence, but here's the thing: I moved to France from Delaware and parents here don't give a flying fuck in a handbasket if their children see nudity. Actual sexual intercourse or lewdness is another issue, but newspaper kiosks show topless women in plain view and nobody cares. Statues have penises and nobody cares. I don't think things have drastically changed since your childhood. Rather, I think this is a very difficult thing to see if you've grown up in the midst of it without spending significant time abroad (though maybe you have and we simply disagree?)
- serge2k 10y ago
  I probably saw die hard and other movies like that in middle school. I remember seeing saving private ryan around that time too. The only movie that ever really bothered me for violence was the passion of the christ.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> I was replying to "We as a society... drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice." But the R-rated comment was fairly irrelevant to that (or, rather, counterproductive, since it says more about sex than violence.) PG-13 movies aren't less violent than R-rated movies. [0] > The idea that we "drop our middle-school kids off to see violent movies without even thinking twice" is a complete and total fiction. Except that is completely true; heck, arguably "without even thinking once" is more accurate, since imagining that the lack of an R-rating means that a movie isn't violent isn't so much thinking as finding an excuse to avoid thought. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pg-13-movies-match-r-rating-for-violence-study-says/2013/11/10/4e6b3f8c-4893-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/pg-13...