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American here. As always there can be a middle ground. I 100% agree that the female body (or male body for that matter) is not the end of civilization but there

American here. As always there can be a middle ground. I 100% agree that the female body (or male body for that matter) is not the end of civilization but there's still a line to be drawn with regards to what children see. You never see the human body depicted in media as simply the vessel we exist in. It's always sexualized almost always with the aim of selling a product. My kids don't need to be seeing that until they're a certain age. By the same token, violence is a part of human nature and we shouldn't go around acting like everyone is holding hands singing kumbaya but again, kids probably shouldn't be exposed to ridiculous levels of that at an early age.

belorn 10y ago
To take Sweden as a historical example, it used to be quite common that Swedish movies had nudity in them. Sweden has a lot of lakes and shores, and the capital is built on top of cluster of islands, so swimming nude during the summer was a very common scene in movies made before 2000 (sometimes with children among the adults), as would comedian pieces with people running in the street naked. The neck spirit was also a fairly common figure, used in similar style as ghosts or faeries. In each case, the human body depicted was just that of people (or made up people). Violence was however very limited and the state censor was active in protecting children from it. A famous case was that of darkwin duck that got removed mid season. Swedish media blamed movie violence for increase gang violence in cities, with examples like "kids learn how to jump kick other children in the head". Then American movies and tv shows over took both the market and mind share. With that, those aspect of Swedish movies went away, and much of the culture with it. Violence censoring went away, and much of media started to self-censor against nudity.
- lmickh 10y ago
  Did your gang violence increase? Just curious.
  - belorn 10y ago
    It did. I remember that there were plenty of studies, however, the collective conclusive has always been negative on the correlation. I even recently saw a museum event on the subject, which draw some strong parallels between current debate about violent video games and the old debate about violent movies. Personally, I believe there is enough evidence that show that children and young adults that is under major stress and unhealthy social environment will sometimes lash out at society, and they will pick what ever method that is socially unaccepted to do so. Society as such can effect that, but censorship generally has the opposite of the desired effect.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    Wouldn't bet on that happening because of Darkwing Duck though.

belorn 10y ago

To take Sweden as a historical example, it used to be quite common that Swedish movies had nudity in them. Sweden has a lot of lakes and shores, and the capital is built on top of cluster of islands, so swimming nude during the summer was a very common scene in movies made before 2000 (sometimes with children among the adults), as would comedian pieces with people running in the street naked. The neck spirit was also a fairly common figure, used in similar style as ghosts or faeries. In each case, the human body depicted was just that of people (or made up people). Violence was however very limited and the state censor was active in protecting children from it. A famous case was that of darkwin duck that got removed mid season. Swedish media blamed movie violence for increase gang violence in cities, with examples like "kids learn how to jump kick other children in the head". Then American movies and tv shows over took both the market and mind share. With that, those aspect of Swedish movies went away, and much of the culture with it. Violence censoring went away, and much of media started to self-censor against nudity.

lmickh 10y ago
Did your gang violence increase? Just curious.
- belorn 10y ago
  It did. I remember that there were plenty of studies, however, the collective conclusive has always been negative on the correlation. I even recently saw a museum event on the subject, which draw some strong parallels between current debate about violent video games and the old debate about violent movies. Personally, I believe there is enough evidence that show that children and young adults that is under major stress and unhealthy social environment will sometimes lash out at society, and they will pick what ever method that is socially unaccepted to do so. Society as such can effect that, but censorship generally has the opposite of the desired effect.
- tdkl 10y ago
  Wouldn't bet on that happening because of Darkwing Duck though.