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You do realize that in Europe the same thing that Tesla calls "autopilot" has existed for years in Mercedes, Volvo and some other premium cars, Tesla's autopilo

by usaphp 10y ago

You do realize that in Europe the same thing that Tesla calls "autopilot" has existed for years in Mercedes, Volvo and some other premium cars, Tesla's autopilot is nothing more at the moment than a line keeping and adaptive cruise control that is used in Europe for at least 3 years now

jaimex2 10y ago
Yeah, they're the same thing. You can totally leave those cars to drive around on their own the same way Tesla's do.
- adrinavarro 10y ago
  Do Teslas now drive around on their own? I seem to have missed something.
  - StavrosK 10y ago
    You haven't missed anything, they use the same system that's available in Mercedes and other cars. Some people just misread the announcement and we've been living with the misconception that Tesla has self-driving cars ever since. I don't know why, either, since this would presumably be very easily debunked.
- makomk 10y ago
  They're the same thing, and require the same level of attention to use safely. The only difference is that Tesla didn't enforce that level of attention because they're more willing to feed their drivers to the undersides of trucks at 70 mph and then blame the driver for not paying attention than Mercedes or Volvo are, and the press and HN are more willing to let them get away with it.
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vsl 10y ago
Uh, no. The utter crap assistants used in these cars are incomparable to Tesla’s Autopilot even now. Polish and ease of use matter. Execution matters. For a representative example, see how bad Mercedes’ latest and greatest E-Class w/ Drive Pilot is: http://www.autofil.no/936897/hands-off http://www.autofil.no/936897/hands-off It’s damning. And that is the one they advertised as being “self-driving”. That’s the best Mercedes has. This review compares more of them: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-compared-tesla-vs-bmw-mercedes-and-infiniti-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co... The best of non-Teslas have at least twice as many autonomous mode disengagements (i.e. they suck at the lane keeping job). They specifically call out Model S for being the only one that can keep in a lane without wobbling like a drunk driver. None of the “old” car manufactures can even get that right, let alone anything more. So yes, on paper all these components exist for 3+ years and are nothing new. Exactly like smartphones existed before the iPhone did — remember those?
virtualritz 10y ago
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. I regularly drive a full fledged E-Class Mercedes Benz from 2015 (company car). It offers nothing even close to Tesla's autopilot.

by usaphp 10y ago

jaimex2 10y ago

Yeah, they're the same thing. You can totally leave those cars to drive around on their own the same way Tesla's do.

adrinavarro 10y ago
Do Teslas now drive around on their own? I seem to have missed something.
- StavrosK 10y ago
  You haven't missed anything, they use the same system that's available in Mercedes and other cars. Some people just misread the announcement and we've been living with the misconception that Tesla has self-driving cars ever since. I don't know why, either, since this would presumably be very easily debunked.
makomk 10y ago
They're the same thing, and require the same level of attention to use safely. The only difference is that Tesla didn't enforce that level of attention because they're more willing to feed their drivers to the undersides of trucks at 70 mph and then blame the driver for not paying attention than Mercedes or Volvo are, and the press and HN are more willing to let them get away with it.

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vsl 10y ago

Uh, no. The utter crap assistants used in these cars are incomparable to Tesla’s Autopilot even now. Polish and ease of use matter. Execution matters. For a representative example, see how bad Mercedes’ latest and greatest E-Class w/ Drive Pilot is: http://www.autofil.no/936897/hands-off http://www.autofil.no/936897/hands-off It’s damning. And that is the one they advertised as being “self-driving”. That’s the best Mercedes has. This review compares more of them: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-compared-tesla-vs-bmw-mercedes-and-infiniti-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/semi-autonomous-cars-co... The best of non-Teslas have at least twice as many autonomous mode disengagements (i.e. they suck at the lane keeping job). They specifically call out Model S for being the only one that can keep in a lane without wobbling like a drunk driver. None of the “old” car manufactures can even get that right, let alone anything more. So yes, on paper all these components exist for 3+ years and are nothing new. Exactly like smartphones existed before the iPhone did — remember those?

virtualritz 10y ago

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. I regularly drive a full fledged E-Class Mercedes Benz from 2015 (company car). It offers nothing even close to Tesla's autopilot.