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My take is that if you removed all of the crimes committed by black and hispanic people, the US would still have a murder rate that is multiples of that in many

My take is that if you removed all of the crimes committed by black and hispanic people, the US would still have a murder rate that is multiples of that in many other developed countries. Clearly there is some other factor - one which is objectively larger than race - that should be the top focus. That's inaccurate. The European population in America has a crime rate inline with or a bit lower than European populations in Europe, certainly not "multiples". http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publications/icvs/publications/ICVS2004_05report.pdf http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publicat...

nl 10y ago
The parent poster said the murder rate, not the crime rate. I agree the crime rate is what should be compared though. Where are you finding the US crime rate by ethnicity? I haven't read all 283 pages of the doc you linked, but a more direct reference would be great.
- Senji 10y ago
  http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/ http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
- h4nkoslo 10y ago
  It's on the FBI report I linked. Most other nations are leery of breaking out crime rates by ethnicity, so you have to do a bit of cross-referencing to get e.g. Euro-American vs Euro-gen pop comparisons.
badsock 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
- h4nkoslo 10y ago
  Don't forget to break out the US by-ethnicity numbers so you get a comparison of, e.g., European Americans to other particularly euro populations. For instance, US murder rate is about double that of Canada, but Euro population is ~at par.
  - badsock 10y ago
    I didn't forget. By your numbers blacks account for half of the murders. So take the US's 3.9 and divide it by half = 1.95. Compare that to Spain (which is full of hispanics, just to elimate that as a confounding variable) at 0.7, which has a 2.8 times lower murder rate than the US non-black population.

nl 10y ago

The parent poster said the murder rate, not the crime rate. I agree the crime rate is what should be compared though. Where are you finding the US crime rate by ethnicity? I haven't read all 283 pages of the doc you linked, but a more direct reference would be great.

Senji 10y ago
http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/ http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
h4nkoslo 10y ago
It's on the FBI report I linked. Most other nations are leery of breaking out crime rates by ethnicity, so you have to do a bit of cross-referencing to get e.g. Euro-American vs Euro-gen pop comparisons.

badsock 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

h4nkoslo 10y ago
Don't forget to break out the US by-ethnicity numbers so you get a comparison of, e.g., European Americans to other particularly euro populations. For instance, US murder rate is about double that of Canada, but Euro population is ~at par.
- badsock 10y ago
  I didn't forget. By your numbers blacks account for half of the murders. So take the US's 3.9 and divide it by half = 1.95. Compare that to Spain (which is full of hispanics, just to elimate that as a confounding variable) at 0.7, which has a 2.8 times lower murder rate than the US non-black population.