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Well, I think you hit the nail on the head: contemporary ethics are pretty down on things like stripping constitutional rights like the freedom of movement from
by badsock 10y ago
Well, I think you hit the nail on the head: contemporary ethics are pretty down on things like stripping constitutional rights like the freedom of movement from a group of people based on race.
A lot of people spent their lives bringing about this shift in ethics; some of them died violently for their efforts. Not having fundamental rights abrogated because you share some phenotypes with some bad people is a substantial philosophy with deep roots in the reactions to the breadth and depth of injustice that went down in the 19th and 20th centuries - much more than just "PC goggles".
My take is that if you removed all of the crimes committed by black and hispanic people, the US would still have a murder rate that is multiples of that in many other developed countries. Clearly there is some other factor - one which is objectively larger than race - that should be the top focus.
- h4nkoslo 10y agoMy take is that if you removed all of the crimes committed by black and hispanic people, the US would still have a murder rate that is multiples of that in many other developed countries. Clearly there is some other factor - one which is objectively larger than race - that should be the top focus. That's inaccurate. The European population in America has a crime rate inline with or a bit lower than European populations in Europe, certainly not "multiples". http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publications/icvs/publications/ICVS2004_05report.pdf http://www.unicri.it/services/library_documentation/publicat...
- nl 10y agoThe parent poster said the murder rate, not the crime rate. I agree the crime rate is what should be compared though. Where are you finding the US crime rate by ethnicity? I haven't read all 283 pages of the doc you linked, but a more direct reference would be great.
- Senji 10y agohttp://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/ http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
- h4nkoslo 10y agoIt's on the FBI report I linked. Most other nations are leery of breaking out crime rates by ethnicity, so you have to do a bit of cross-referencing to get e.g. Euro-American vs Euro-gen pop comparisons.
- badsock 10y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
- h4nkoslo 10y agoDon't forget to break out the US by-ethnicity numbers so you get a comparison of, e.g., European Americans to other particularly euro populations. For instance, US murder rate is about double that of Canada, but Euro population is ~at par.
- badsock 10y agoI didn't forget. By your numbers blacks account for half of the murders. So take the US's 3.9 and divide it by half = 1.95. Compare that to Spain (which is full of hispanics, just to elimate that as a confounding variable) at 0.7, which has a 2.8 times lower murder rate than the US non-black population.