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Two Israeli teens arrested for running major DDoS service

12 points by tmptmp 10y ago

hourislate 10y ago
I would be surprised if anything happens to them. They are Israeli and most likely considered off limits to the US Justice System. They will probably just get a stern warning. Different rules for different folks......
- matt_wulfeck 10y ago
  Aren't you also glad that you're a US citizen and considered off limits to laws other countries enact? Besides, I have a difficult time believing harsh punishment will be any kind of deterrent to these types of DDoS attacks. The internet and its infrastructure needs to become more secure and robust against this, and it needs to improve fast.
  - thingexplainer 10y ago
    Do we need to take measures against people shouting nonsense through megaphones, or can we just accept that they have this capability and pursue more interesting topics?
    - jazoom 10y ago
      If someone kept doing that outside my house the police would get involved. The same should be true if your servers keep shouting at mine.
      - thingexplainer 10y ago
        Granted. But the police shouldn't be written into TCP. That is a social solution, not a technical one.
- beagle3 10y ago
  FYI, Israel has extradited quite a few people, mostly related to fraud and drug dealing, e.g. http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Court-upholds-US-extradition-request-for-Israelis http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Court-upholds-US-extradit... and http://www.haaretz.com/news/ze-ev-rosenstein-to-be-extradited-to-u-s-for-drug-smuggling-1.178871 http://www.haaretz.com/news/ze-ev-rosenstein-to-be-extradite... A sad (or amusing, depending on your point of view) thing, actually - Israeli police has started begging the FBI a few years ago to ask Israel for extradition of Israeli drug dealers who had anything, even remotely, to do with the US - because the burden of evidence in a criminal case in Israel is so much heavier than in the US. This is their plan B: Israeli police have been unable to get the conviction they wanted in cases which would have been cut-and-dry in the US. Israeli courts don't just trust blindly trust a cop's "I saw / I heard" evidence, and apply custody of evidence rules very strictly, which makes some (arguably just) convictions nearly impossible. (On the other hand, wrong convictions, though definitely exist, are probably much less frequent as a result)
  - matt_wulfeck 10y ago
    Sounds like we can learn something from them regarding burden of proof. Not that a police officers experience shouldn't have any gravitas, but it also shouldn't become the law.
CrazyMusicians 10y ago
This story was originally reported by American journalist brian krebs http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/israeli-online-attack-service-vdos-earned-600000-in-two-years/ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/israeli-online-attack-ser... http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/alleged-vdos-proprietors-arrested-in-israel/ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/alleged-vdos-proprietors-...

12 points by tmptmp 10y ago

I would be surprised if anything happens to them. They are Israeli and most likely considered off limits to the US Justice System. They will probably just get a stern warning. Different rules for different folks......

matt_wulfeck 10y ago
Aren't you also glad that you're a US citizen and considered off limits to laws other countries enact? Besides, I have a difficult time believing harsh punishment will be any kind of deterrent to these types of DDoS attacks. The internet and its infrastructure needs to become more secure and robust against this, and it needs to improve fast.
- thingexplainer 10y ago
  Do we need to take measures against people shouting nonsense through megaphones, or can we just accept that they have this capability and pursue more interesting topics?
  - jazoom 10y ago
    If someone kept doing that outside my house the police would get involved. The same should be true if your servers keep shouting at mine.
    - thingexplainer 10y ago
      Granted. But the police shouldn't be written into TCP. That is a social solution, not a technical one.
beagle3 10y ago
FYI, Israel has extradited quite a few people, mostly related to fraud and drug dealing, e.g. http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Court-upholds-US-extradition-request-for-Israelis http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Court-upholds-US-extradit... and http://www.haaretz.com/news/ze-ev-rosenstein-to-be-extradited-to-u-s-for-drug-smuggling-1.178871 http://www.haaretz.com/news/ze-ev-rosenstein-to-be-extradite... A sad (or amusing, depending on your point of view) thing, actually - Israeli police has started begging the FBI a few years ago to ask Israel for extradition of Israeli drug dealers who had anything, even remotely, to do with the US - because the burden of evidence in a criminal case in Israel is so much heavier than in the US. This is their plan B: Israeli police have been unable to get the conviction they wanted in cases which would have been cut-and-dry in the US. Israeli courts don't just trust blindly trust a cop's "I saw / I heard" evidence, and apply custody of evidence rules very strictly, which makes some (arguably just) convictions nearly impossible. (On the other hand, wrong convictions, though definitely exist, are probably much less frequent as a result)
- matt_wulfeck 10y ago
  Sounds like we can learn something from them regarding burden of proof. Not that a police officers experience shouldn't have any gravitas, but it also shouldn't become the law.

CrazyMusicians 10y ago

This story was originally reported by American journalist brian krebs http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/israeli-online-attack-service-vdos-earned-600000-in-two-years/ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/israeli-online-attack-ser... http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/alleged-vdos-proprietors-arrested-in-israel/ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/alleged-vdos-proprietors-...