Yeah, I remember that -- every industry had a downturn and there was no safe haven for employment, so I'd rather have a higher salary at a startup today with no

Yeah, I remember that -- every industry had a downturn and there was no safe haven for employment, so I'd rather have a higher salary at a startup today with no guarantee of long term employment versus a lower paid job at an established company with no guarantee of long term employment. And I'm not going to work at the USPS and earn a fraction of my salary.