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Same place you park your car for 8 or more hours a day.

oblio 10y ago
Who's going to pay for that? Who's going to get approval? How are you going to keep track of who used the power supply and then charge them?
- agumonkey 10y ago
  Airport added EV parking spots with a credit card paying terminal. Seems fairly possible to do the same for other parking spots unless it's a special electric line (Volts, Amps).
  - oblio 10y ago
    But that would mean thet every parking spot would have its own POS. Or that superchargers would be at least as common as gas stations. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that people are grossly underestimating the costs and the time to build the infrastructure. And let's not even go into developing countries. In Bucharest people barely have a parking spot (legal or not), many park on the sidewalk. Mass electric vehicle usage is at least 10 years into the future in developed countries and probably 20+ in developing ones.
    - agumonkey 10y ago
      I agree that spread of infrastructure isn't free, but it's not a "problem" per se. Parking lots already have POS modules for payments, these companies might collaborate to extend support for electric outlet. And of course I think we're all discussing this in market ready countries, not those with more ad-hoc road infrastructure.
      - colanderman 10y ago
        The past two cities I've lived in – in the east coast US – have had lots of dirt roads, and narrow one-way streets with no room for a sidewalk let alone recharging stations every 30 feet. So is your claim that the US isn't "market ready"?
    - Retric 10y ago
      Even if EV adoption grows at 20% per year it's still a long way to go. A wide scale electric vehicle transition is probably 20+ years out and 40+ years before gas cars becomes rare. Long term in road charging seems to be the ideal overall solution for truly unlimited range, but that's a long way off.
- Retric 10y ago
  Street level parking a side issue, most city's quickly get into underground parking. Further charging stations can be combined with parking meters fairly easily. But, most parking in city's is underground and adding a 6 inch thick foot wide box is easy. Now, none of this is free. But charging for electricity/parking opens an obvious solution to pay for that infrastructure and more importantly loans are cheap as long as you have an income stream.
  - colanderman 10y ago
    The majority of Bostonites who own cars live in triple-deckers in 200-300-year-old neighborhoods on tiny twisty one-way streets. There are garages, but they tend not to be near housing, and the ones with charging stations tend to be rather pricey to house your car in every day.
    - Retric 10y ago
      Sure, a low density neighborhood can have street level parking. But, scaling charging stations over a few decades if electric cars continue to be popular is not a major issue. It's a basic supply and demand question, and the basic economics is a low up front fee vs a small income stream. I mean in city parking spaces can sell for over 100k or rent for several hundred a month. Adding a few k on top of that is just not a big deal. PS: Supose a parking space cost an extra 2$ per day, how often would it be used by electric or even non electric cars.
colanderman 10y ago
There's barely room for street signage where I park my car, let alone a charging station every 30 feet. It's amazingly easy to tell whom in this subthread has never lived in a dense city. EVs will be impractical for the lion's share of residents – those who rent – in old dense cities (such as Boston and New York) until existing gas stations add EV refueling stations.

oblio 10y ago

Who's going to pay for that? Who's going to get approval? How are you going to keep track of who used the power supply and then charge them?

agumonkey 10y ago
Airport added EV parking spots with a credit card paying terminal. Seems fairly possible to do the same for other parking spots unless it's a special electric line (Volts, Amps).
- oblio 10y ago
  But that would mean thet every parking spot would have its own POS. Or that superchargers would be at least as common as gas stations. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that people are grossly underestimating the costs and the time to build the infrastructure. And let's not even go into developing countries. In Bucharest people barely have a parking spot (legal or not), many park on the sidewalk. Mass electric vehicle usage is at least 10 years into the future in developed countries and probably 20+ in developing ones.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    I agree that spread of infrastructure isn't free, but it's not a "problem" per se. Parking lots already have POS modules for payments, these companies might collaborate to extend support for electric outlet. And of course I think we're all discussing this in market ready countries, not those with more ad-hoc road infrastructure.
    - colanderman 10y ago
      The past two cities I've lived in – in the east coast US – have had lots of dirt roads, and narrow one-way streets with no room for a sidewalk let alone recharging stations every 30 feet. So is your claim that the US isn't "market ready"?
  - Retric 10y ago
    Even if EV adoption grows at 20% per year it's still a long way to go. A wide scale electric vehicle transition is probably 20+ years out and 40+ years before gas cars becomes rare. Long term in road charging seems to be the ideal overall solution for truly unlimited range, but that's a long way off.
Retric 10y ago
Street level parking a side issue, most city's quickly get into underground parking. Further charging stations can be combined with parking meters fairly easily. But, most parking in city's is underground and adding a 6 inch thick foot wide box is easy. Now, none of this is free. But charging for electricity/parking opens an obvious solution to pay for that infrastructure and more importantly loans are cheap as long as you have an income stream.
- colanderman 10y ago
  The majority of Bostonites who own cars live in triple-deckers in 200-300-year-old neighborhoods on tiny twisty one-way streets. There are garages, but they tend not to be near housing, and the ones with charging stations tend to be rather pricey to house your car in every day.
  - Retric 10y ago
    Sure, a low density neighborhood can have street level parking. But, scaling charging stations over a few decades if electric cars continue to be popular is not a major issue. It's a basic supply and demand question, and the basic economics is a low up front fee vs a small income stream. I mean in city parking spaces can sell for over 100k or rent for several hundred a month. Adding a few k on top of that is just not a big deal. PS: Supose a parking space cost an extra 2$ per day, how often would it be used by electric or even non electric cars.

colanderman 10y ago

There's barely room for street signage where I park my car, let alone a charging station every 30 feet. It's amazingly easy to tell whom in this subthread has never lived in a dense city. EVs will be impractical for the lion's share of residents – those who rent – in old dense cities (such as Boston and New York) until existing gas stations add EV refueling stations.