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Properly done opinion polls represent the American voters, for example this one [0] which states that 41% of American voters think that it would be a good idea

Properly done opinion polls represent the American voters, for example this one [0] which states that 41% of American voters think that it would be a good idea to elect Trump. That is more than a tiny minority. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-holds-lead-over-trump-in-new-poll-but-warning-signs-emerge/2016/09/10/800dee0c-76c8-11e6-b786-19d0cb1ed06c_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-holds-lead-o...

Jtsummers 10y ago
It's hard to base anything off opinion polls like that. They don't ask "Who, at of all eligible men and women in the US, should be elected?" They ask, "Who, of these <small set> candidates do you support?" Someone can support Trump if only because they don't support Hillary (fuck, the reverse is probably half her vote).
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  In every representative democracy you elect the lesser evil. That is part of the point of democracy, you compromise with everybody else. In my opinion "not bombing people", "not building a wall around the country" and similar stuff should be pretty high on everybody's wishlist for a new president. Apparently in America 41% of the voting population has a very different wishlist and/or is ignorant to or does not know the things candidates actually say. I get that Americas election system is broken and I also get that "not Clinton" or for some people "not a woman" is on their wishlist. It just puzzles me that America, the country of "the [letter]-word", does not have a blacklist of phrases a candidate simply cannot say engrained deep enough into society.
  - ekianjo 10y ago
    This has nothing to do with democracy. This is what you get when you have a majority based voting system with centralized power structure. Democracy in its origin was about the separation of powers and the involvment of citizens in governance.
    - allendoerfer 10y ago
      I intentionally said representative democracy. I personally think it is a good model. Council and referendum based democracies have been tried, I think as the main model, they do not work. And even with them, compromising is the point of the Western democracy, its definition almost always includes human rights and protection of minorities.
pessimizer 10y ago
Trump is a vote for American white nationalism, not the kind of overseas aggressiveness that normally angers other nations about US foreign policy.
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  Nationalism is a foreign policy. Bombing and wall building definitely are, too.
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  Huh, what?? Have you listened to Trump? He has stated, in as many words, that we should go into Iraq and "take the oil". He's advocated our involvement in other issues. He's repeatedly suggested the use of nuclear weapons to deal with current conflicts. How is this not a textbook example of "overseas aggressiveness that ... angers other nations"?
mindslight 10y ago
It's a bit incomplete to act incredulous about the existence of one specific candidate while ignoring how terrible the other mainstream option is as well. While each of us will have our personal alarms set off harder for one or the other, please work to avoid transmuting this arbitrary difference into actual support for either of the bags of shit.
ekianjo 10y ago
When you only have two options thats what you get. Such polls are meaningless.

Jtsummers 10y ago

It's hard to base anything off opinion polls like that. They don't ask "Who, at of all eligible men and women in the US, should be elected?" They ask, "Who, of these <small set> candidates do you support?" Someone can support Trump if only because they don't support Hillary (fuck, the reverse is probably half her vote).

allendoerfer 10y ago
In every representative democracy you elect the lesser evil. That is part of the point of democracy, you compromise with everybody else. In my opinion "not bombing people", "not building a wall around the country" and similar stuff should be pretty high on everybody's wishlist for a new president. Apparently in America 41% of the voting population has a very different wishlist and/or is ignorant to or does not know the things candidates actually say. I get that Americas election system is broken and I also get that "not Clinton" or for some people "not a woman" is on their wishlist. It just puzzles me that America, the country of "the [letter]-word", does not have a blacklist of phrases a candidate simply cannot say engrained deep enough into society.
- ekianjo 10y ago
  This has nothing to do with democracy. This is what you get when you have a majority based voting system with centralized power structure. Democracy in its origin was about the separation of powers and the involvment of citizens in governance.
  - allendoerfer 10y ago
    I intentionally said representative democracy. I personally think it is a good model. Council and referendum based democracies have been tried, I think as the main model, they do not work. And even with them, compromising is the point of the Western democracy, its definition almost always includes human rights and protection of minorities.

pessimizer 10y ago

Trump is a vote for American white nationalism, not the kind of overseas aggressiveness that normally angers other nations about US foreign policy.

allendoerfer 10y ago
Nationalism is a foreign policy. Bombing and wall building definitely are, too.
FireBeyond 10y ago
Huh, what?? Have you listened to Trump? He has stated, in as many words, that we should go into Iraq and "take the oil". He's advocated our involvement in other issues. He's repeatedly suggested the use of nuclear weapons to deal with current conflicts. How is this not a textbook example of "overseas aggressiveness that ... angers other nations"?

mindslight 10y ago

It's a bit incomplete to act incredulous about the existence of one specific candidate while ignoring how terrible the other mainstream option is as well. While each of us will have our personal alarms set off harder for one or the other, please work to avoid transmuting this arbitrary difference into actual support for either of the bags of shit.

ekianjo 10y ago

When you only have two options thats what you get. Such polls are meaningless.