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I'm pretty sure properly written GUI toolkits can be much smaller... Given that as far as I know, there are no examples of tiny fully-featured GUI libraries (i

I'm pretty sure properly written GUI toolkits can be much smaller... Given that as far as I know, there are no examples of tiny fully-featured GUI libraries (it's all either trivial like cgui or a massive bloated mammoth like qt/wpf/android), isn't that a bit of a rich statement? Like, I'm sure you can write a procedural generator in a handful of lines of code that spits out the full works of Shakespeare. It's probably possible, if you have the right seed and the right algorithm. ...but practically speaking, how do you actually build one? The same goes for UI libraries; certainly it should be possible (in theory) to have a minimal beautiful GUI libraries with an excellent API; but every attempt to build one seems to have failed. Perhaps the problem domain is actually more difficult than you're giving it credit for...

elcritch 10y ago
It's certainly a tricky endeavor, but not impossible: - http://www.fltk.org/index.php http://www.fltk.org/index.php - https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano Then again most gui libraries end up including networking, file handling, etc...
loup-vaillant 10y ago
vpri.org managed to squeeze a GUI toolkit and a document format and the whole compiler toolchain required for the language (including rasterization) in about 20K lines of code, and it's fast enough to run in a laptop. I'm pretty sure we haven't explored the sheer depth of simplifications that can still be done.
- shadowmint 10y ago
  Sounds cool. Got a link? I can't find anything on their website that seems to be that sort of thing?
  - renox 10y ago
    I doubt that you'll find much.. They didn't release the code of their "crown jevel" (Frank, the 'word processor'), which makes me quite unimpressed about these year of research where the main result is a bunch of papers and demos but (nearly no) code (except for the OMeta part).
    - loup-vaillant 10y ago
      I believe they did release the source code, not far from here: http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php?title=Installation_Guide http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php?title=Installation_Guide (may be outdated, you may want to ask the FONC mailing list, may not work on your machine… it's a proof of concept anyway, not a hardened engineering artefact). Their writing is here: http://vpri.org/html/writings.php http://vpri.org/html/writings.php Their various reports are there (most recent first): http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
      - renox 10y ago
        Maybe the word processor is there, maybe it isn't, there isn't much documentation, I've asked the FONC mailing list..

elcritch 10y ago

It's certainly a tricky endeavor, but not impossible: - http://www.fltk.org/index.php http://www.fltk.org/index.php - https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano Then again most gui libraries end up including networking, file handling, etc...

loup-vaillant 10y ago

vpri.org managed to squeeze a GUI toolkit and a document format and the whole compiler toolchain required for the language (including rasterization) in about 20K lines of code, and it's fast enough to run in a laptop. I'm pretty sure we haven't explored the sheer depth of simplifications that can still be done.

shadowmint 10y ago
Sounds cool. Got a link? I can't find anything on their website that seems to be that sort of thing?
- renox 10y ago
  I doubt that you'll find much.. They didn't release the code of their "crown jevel" (Frank, the 'word processor'), which makes me quite unimpressed about these year of research where the main result is a bunch of papers and demos but (nearly no) code (except for the OMeta part).
  - loup-vaillant 10y ago
    I believe they did release the source code, not far from here: http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php?title=Installation_Guide http://vpri.org/fonc_wiki/index.php?title=Installation_Guide (may be outdated, you may want to ask the FONC mailing list, may not work on your machine… it's a proof of concept anyway, not a hardened engineering artefact). Their writing is here: http://vpri.org/html/writings.php http://vpri.org/html/writings.php Their various reports are there (most recent first): http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
    - renox 10y ago
      Maybe the word processor is there, maybe it isn't, there isn't much documentation, I've asked the FONC mailing list..