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This is something it amazes me more people don't see. I've read a lot of the scientific literature on human creativity (there isn't much) and it is quite clear

This is something it amazes me more people don't see. I've read a lot of the scientific literature on human creativity (there isn't much) and it is quite clear that we don't understand it at all. Additionally, there is a transformation that takes place in our brains from information to knowledge. Our understanding of this process is also pretty weak. Both of these problems are fundamental to the creation of true, autonomous AI.

M_Grey 10y ago
Both of those problems might be something we need to solve, or it might emerge out of the complexity of a sufficiently advanced AI system. If the latter, we might not seeing coming for exactly the reasons you've outlined as making that emergence unlikely.
ghurtado 10y ago
> Both of these problems are fundamental to the creation of true, autonomous AI. What makes you say that? I could see your statement being self-evidently true only if you meant "fundamental to the creation of an anthropomorphized AI." Of course, even that glosses over the fact that there are already strong indications within the AI community that the first general purpose AI will likely not "think" even remotely in the same fashion as humans do.
haliax 10y ago
> I've read a lot of the scientific literature on human creativity (there isn't much) and it is quite clear that we don't understand it at all. I don't agree that this is true in any way that precludes the creation of "true, autonomous AI". We may not understand the specific mechanisms of how our brains give rise to creativity and the resulting "implementation artifacts", but the fundamental part of creativity (and I'd argue, the part that's relevant to AI) is the ability to efficiently search huge but structured hypothesis spaces and inductively learn new structure (very likely with some stochastic element involved). That is something that we not only have an understanding of, but have implemented, more than once. By way of examples: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2006-04/john-koza-has-built-invention-machine http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2006-04/john-koza-has-... http://aliciapatterson.org/stories/eurisko-computer-mind-its-own http://aliciapatterson.org/stories/eurisko-computer-mind-its... https://psmag.com/triumph-of-the-cyborg-composer-620e5aead47e https://psmag.com/triumph-of-the-cyborg-composer-620e5aead47...
zby 10y ago
We can create true, autonomous Intelligence, even though we don't understand how it really works. I predict that - we'll be able to create AI and train it just like we do with a human being.

M_Grey 10y ago

Both of those problems might be something we need to solve, or it might emerge out of the complexity of a sufficiently advanced AI system. If the latter, we might not seeing coming for exactly the reasons you've outlined as making that emergence unlikely.

ghurtado 10y ago

> Both of these problems are fundamental to the creation of true, autonomous AI. What makes you say that? I could see your statement being self-evidently true only if you meant "fundamental to the creation of an anthropomorphized AI." Of course, even that glosses over the fact that there are already strong indications within the AI community that the first general purpose AI will likely not "think" even remotely in the same fashion as humans do.

haliax 10y ago

> I've read a lot of the scientific literature on human creativity (there isn't much) and it is quite clear that we don't understand it at all. I don't agree that this is true in any way that precludes the creation of "true, autonomous AI". We may not understand the specific mechanisms of how our brains give rise to creativity and the resulting "implementation artifacts", but the fundamental part of creativity (and I'd argue, the part that's relevant to AI) is the ability to efficiently search huge but structured hypothesis spaces and inductively learn new structure (very likely with some stochastic element involved). That is something that we not only have an understanding of, but have implemented, more than once. By way of examples: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2006-04/john-koza-has-built-invention-machine http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2006-04/john-koza-has-... http://aliciapatterson.org/stories/eurisko-computer-mind-its-own http://aliciapatterson.org/stories/eurisko-computer-mind-its... https://psmag.com/triumph-of-the-cyborg-composer-620e5aead47e https://psmag.com/triumph-of-the-cyborg-composer-620e5aead47...

zby 10y ago

We can create true, autonomous Intelligence, even though we don't understand how it really works. I predict that - we'll be able to create AI and train it just like we do with a human being.