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Tl;Dr Therefore, construction of the pipeline on Army Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe will not go forward at this time. I hope this is the start of min
by jnordwick 10y ago
Tl;Dr
Therefore, construction of the pipeline on Army Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe will not go forward at this time. I hope this is the start of mineral and property rights for the land. We have people living and dying because they cannot use their land productively. This is socialism people. It kills people.
As a Sioux native, let us use out land white men do, collateral on loans, to build business, but you string us up telling us what we can and cannot do with our land. I why can we not be allowed to do what the white man does?
As a Sioux I approve.
- mercurial 10y agoWhat is "socialism"?
- creshal 10y ago"Something the government does I don't like"
- Waterluvian 10y agoCan you explain what you mean by this being socialism? It doesn't appear to be the socialism I'm familiar with here in Canada.
- hammock 10y agoCould it be definition 1 or 2b here? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism In this particular case he's arguing the government is appropriating private land (means of production) for third-party gain.
- cpursley 10y agoI imagine he means that the natives/first peoples don't have full property rights like those outside of reservations have. If I understand correctly, much of the land on reservations is "communal" (communist or the extream end of "socialist"). Apparently, there's a big issue getting title to land which according to the following article, explains the abundance of mobile homes on reservations: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoppisch/2011/12/13/why-are-indian-reservations-so-poor-a-look-at-the-bottom-1/#739b8eee337a http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoppisch/2011/12/13/why-are-... Part of the typical "bundle of rights" in property ownership is the ability to abstract natural resources (plant, animal, mineral, energy). Without true property rights and ability for land to serve as collateral, the risk of capital lending is very high. You can't finance a home, you can't invest in a manufacturing plant, you can't get a farm loan, you can't mine the land, (both due to lack of mineral rights and that no bank will loan money for the equipment). This is why reservations are poor; same reasons socialist/communist states were/are poor: Tragedy of the commons. This type of land socialism should not be confused with "social" safety nets like health care and social security. If I were a native, I'd be pretty pissed if the "white man" were running his pipelines through my territory, ancestral or not, while I got little in return. In my opinion, the reservations should be brought under the legal jurisdiction of the United States and treated as US territories. Also, learning about Russell Means, a Lakota libertarian activist, is worthwhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means
- ende 10y agoWhat socialism are you familiar with in Canada?
- ZoF 10y agoCurious how this is socialism and why it's the 'white man' doing this; there's more than one race in our army and government is there not?
- specialist 10y agoIt's probably like how the Amish refer to outsiders as English. It's not literal. It's probably their short-hand for all non-Sioux (non-native) people. So don't take it personally, or pendant about it.
- cloudjacker 10y agoHear that Canada, it's also not literal socialism so don't take it personally