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.docx is a much nicer format than doc. It is literally a zip file containing a some xml files [0]. Having said that, the spec is still 106 pages, but the entir

.docx is a much nicer format than doc. It is literally a zip file containing a some xml files [0]. Having said that, the spec is still 106 pages, but the entire xml schema is only 8 pages; the rest is exposistion. [0] Some features (such as embedding images) probably involve including non-xml files. [1] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd773189(v=office.12).aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd773189(v=office.1...

userbinator 10y ago
You only linked to the "extensions" MS added on top of OOXML, whose specs are in total an order of magnitude bigger. ISO/IEC-29500 or ECMA-376 is the actual spec, and its first part (of 5) is 5000+ pages. In comparison, 349 pages for the main spec + a 9 page auxillary spec for the document "filesystem" seems almost trivial. http://activityworkshop.net/rants/ooxml.html http://activityworkshop.net/rants/ooxml.html
lqdc13 10y ago
The PDF spec is 1000 pages. Nobody seems to complain. Or at least they complain a lot less.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  You can ignore about 800 pages of that for most applications though.
  - alexott 10y ago
    Not really, when you start to implement it, the more and more functionality required as you get more samples.
- startling 10y ago
  Fortunately the only people who can read 1000-page documents are those who already have working PDF renderers, so the problem is self-limiting.
frik 10y ago
Much nicer? Not really. It literally a transpilation of the binary format. The XML files a very abnormal for everyone but who are familar how the original older doc/xls/ppt fileformat works. E.g. Look at how the Bold-tag is implemented, no sane developer would implement it that way. It's clearly done to mske it as straight forward port of the old format and make it as difficult as possible for every one else. The XML even contains binary blobs and all. A low-light. Every other modern Office format is nicer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_and_OpenDocument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open_XML#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open...
- makomk 10y ago
  Worse, it's designed in a way that works completely differently from every other XML office format to allow Microsoft to patent it. Doing document markup the normal way in XML has too much prior art to be patentable (though that didn't stop Microsoft from trying), but they managed to get a patent on their oddball way of doing things.

userbinator 10y ago

You only linked to the "extensions" MS added on top of OOXML, whose specs are in total an order of magnitude bigger. ISO/IEC-29500 or ECMA-376 is the actual spec, and its first part (of 5) is 5000+ pages. In comparison, 349 pages for the main spec + a 9 page auxillary spec for the document "filesystem" seems almost trivial. http://activityworkshop.net/rants/ooxml.html http://activityworkshop.net/rants/ooxml.html

lqdc13 10y ago

The PDF spec is 1000 pages. Nobody seems to complain. Or at least they complain a lot less.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago
You can ignore about 800 pages of that for most applications though.
- alexott 10y ago
  Not really, when you start to implement it, the more and more functionality required as you get more samples.
startling 10y ago
Fortunately the only people who can read 1000-page documents are those who already have working PDF renderers, so the problem is self-limiting.

frik 10y ago

Much nicer? Not really. It literally a transpilation of the binary format. The XML files a very abnormal for everyone but who are familar how the original older doc/xls/ppt fileformat works. E.g. Look at how the Bold-tag is implemented, no sane developer would implement it that way. It's clearly done to mske it as straight forward port of the old format and make it as difficult as possible for every one else. The XML even contains binary blobs and all. A low-light. Every other modern Office format is nicer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_and_OpenDocument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open_XML#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open...

makomk 10y ago
Worse, it's designed in a way that works completely differently from every other XML office format to allow Microsoft to patent it. Doing document markup the normal way in XML has too much prior art to be patentable (though that didn't stop Microsoft from trying), but they managed to get a patent on their oddball way of doing things.