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> The journal in itself does not ANY value. The people who peer review the articles in journal do it at no cost. The articles are completely written by authors.

> The journal in itself does not ANY value. The people who peer review the articles in journal do it at no cost. The articles are completely written by authors. The ONLY value that the journal adds is by hosting online PDFs. I suppose if you are not a practicing scientist the difference between a PDF hosted by a journal and a PDF on arXiv can seem irrelevant. It is not. Good journals have an effective peer review process that requires editors who will curate articles, match them with expert reviewers and subsequently provide their own meta review on the paper and the process. All of this is a valuable contribution that goes way beyond simply hosting a PDF. Even good work is genuinely improved by going through this process.

denzil_correa 10y ago
> I suppose if you are not a practicing scientist I am. I'm reviewing 2 papers this moment. > Good journals have an effective peer review process that requires editors who will curate articles, match them with expert reviewers and subsequently provide their own meta review on the paper and the process. All of this is a valuable contribution that goes way beyond simply hosting a PDF. Even good work is genuinely improved by going through this process. How much are these editors paid? They are paid ad honorarium. I know editors who are paid a grand sum of 500$ a year. You are significantly over estimating the costs.
- gradstudent 10y ago
  > You are significantly over estimating the costs. I wasn't talking about costs. I was talking about the value of the review and editorial process which is organised around journal publication. There is no equivalent for arXiv. Journals add value and a PDF hosting service is not an equivalent substitute.
  - denzil_correa 10y ago
    > Journals add value and a PDF hosting service is not an equivalent substitute. This value added do not justify the costs.

denzil_correa 10y ago

> I suppose if you are not a practicing scientist I am. I'm reviewing 2 papers this moment. > Good journals have an effective peer review process that requires editors who will curate articles, match them with expert reviewers and subsequently provide their own meta review on the paper and the process. All of this is a valuable contribution that goes way beyond simply hosting a PDF. Even good work is genuinely improved by going through this process. How much are these editors paid? They are paid ad honorarium. I know editors who are paid a grand sum of 500$ a year. You are significantly over estimating the costs.

gradstudent 10y ago
> You are significantly over estimating the costs. I wasn't talking about costs. I was talking about the value of the review and editorial process which is organised around journal publication. There is no equivalent for arXiv. Journals add value and a PDF hosting service is not an equivalent substitute.
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  > Journals add value and a PDF hosting service is not an equivalent substitute. This value added do not justify the costs.