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Always Remember Family Backups

36 points by bgray 17y ago

URSpider94 17y ago
Agreed 100%, home PC back-ups are not optional in this day and age. Our home computer contains pretty much the entire record of my 2-year-old's life in photo and video. If we lost that to a hard drive crash, I'd never forgive myself (not to mention what my wife would have to say). With software like Time Machine, an on-site backup is nearly automatic, and I've had an archive up and running on a separate server for the past two years. My next step is putting together an off-site backup system, in case of fire, burglary or natural disaster. My plan is to buy a couple of spare drives and leave one at an out-of-state family member's house, rotating them out when we visit for holidays.
- jrwoodruff 17y ago
  As an alternative to you holiday off-site backup plan, you could checkout backblaze.com. I haven't tried the service yet, but they offer unlimited backup space for $5/mo.or $50/year. The only reason I haven't tried this is I'm just not sure how long that initial upload would take, what with 500+ gigs of stuff to backup :) If you used to augment your full backup though, it would be a good last resort, failsafe backup
  - sstrudeau 17y ago
    I've been using Backblaze. Love it. It's the perfect "I don't have to think about it" backup system. Cheap. Off-site. No worrying about usage limits. Automatic.
    - chime 17y ago
      Is Backblaze fast? I use Mozy and it really sucks. It's slow, the Windows app takes FOREVER to show me my files and the web-interface is just plain bad. I'm looking for an alternative but I don't want to switch to yet another app that's just as bad.
    - nooneelse 17y ago
      Anyone able to compare Backblaze and CrashPlan (I'm was about to start using it this weekend) from personal experience? Looks like several computers can be done with cheaper with CrashPlan, but maybe that misses something I should consider.
- icefox 17y ago
  Got a Time Capsule last fall, started backing up my macbook and didn't think about it after that. Working in the background, automatically, over wifi with a setup of minutes. Used it for the first time last week to recover a file. Paid for itself right there and then.
- quickpost 17y ago
  Good call on the offsite backup. I do something very similar to your idea. I rented a safe deposit box at my bank, and every month or so I head over and get access to it to swap out my hard drives with the latest backup. That way even if the house burns down, etc., I'm covered. It's low-tech, but it scales quite well. I can store multiple terabytes at a secure, offsite location for about $50 / year.
jreposa 17y ago
I've been putting off buying a Drobo (with Network share) for Time Machine backups, but as a new father I need to get it ASAP. Besides Drobo, anyone have other suggestions?
- sreitshamer 17y ago
  You could try Arq http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ It'll back up whichever folders you choose to your own S3 account, which is very fast and reliable. It backs up and restores all Mac metadata corrrectly, stores versioned backups (like Time Machine), fully encrypted, has drag-and-drop restore, de-duplication, no limits on file sizes or drive types.
  - cperciva 17y ago
    It would be polite to identify yourself as the author of Arq when you advertise it. I often mention Tarsnap here, but I do my best to make sure that people understand that I'm somewhat biased when I espouse its benefits.
    - sreitshamer 16y ago
      Good point, thanks! I'll definitely do that next time.
- rarrrrrr 17y ago
  Tarsnap, Arq, and SpiderOak are backup services created by HNers.
ja27 17y ago
My wife and kids all have Dropbox accounts. I spent a little time training them to save everything important to "My Dropbox" instead. Works great for smaller stuff. Maybe Dropbox needs a family plan?
- FraaJad 17y ago
  Family plan is one of the best features in "CrashPlan".
bcl 17y ago
Currently I use a BackupPC system on the LAN to do nightly backups of all my systems. My mac mini is backed up automatically via Time Machine as well, and I do a nightly backup of the MacBook with SuperDuper. Setup of rsyncd on the one windows laptop is a bit of a pain, but it works well. My current concern is off-site backups. I have none, and need something. The problem is that I can't backup the BackupPC pool (~700G of backups) and since I'm horrible about determining what to save and throw away I end up keeping everything. I think I'm hosed :)
stuff4ben 17y ago
Idea for an enterprising entrepreneur: create an app that does a multi-site/format backup. You decide which folders/file-pattern go to the cloud i.e. Dropbox and which go to your external HD. I have almost 300GB of videos and pictures of the kids that I don't want backed up to the cloud (too expensive and too time consuming). However I also have ~500MB of text files, word docs, tax forms (pdf's printed from Turbotax online) that would be perfect to backup to the cloud since that wouldn't take any time at all. Then this software would automate this so that anytime I add new pictures/videos, it would automatically go to the external HD. Anytime I create/update a word doc it automatically gets uploaded/synced to Dropbox. Perhaps the backup software could watch certain folders and automate the backups for me so I don't even have to think about it. Heck I might even pick-up C# and learn me some Windows programming.
andrewdavey 17y ago
I just got an Acer Windows Home Server machine. It does complete machine level backups of all the home/office PCs. I found it very easy to set up and has given me piece of mind at last!
- streety 17y ago
  I hope I'm wrong but it sounds suspiciously like all your backups are in one physical location. You may well be protected against an individual drive failing but what about a more calamitous event such as a fire or flooding?
  - andrewdavey 17y ago
    A good point - they are. However, I have Mozy taking care of critical files for me as well :)
  - icefox 17y ago
    So clearly I should rotate my backups between my three alternating sites and have a whole system where... No. I think I would screw up. In fact I know I would screw up because when I used to do that I would forget every few weeks and eventually I didn't bother because it was a hassle. Talking about backups are funny. We all like to talk about how we should have a great system, but for the vast majority of people if they simply had one automatic local backup they would be so much better off it isn't funny. When my mom's pc died her super backup system (one hd at home one at work) was months out of date. When my dad's mac hd died he got a new hd, and restored from the Mac Time Capsule overnight. They both have macs now* As much as I would like to advocate super backup solutions I feel that anyone that actually has a local solution that is automatic and runs is way better then someone who is preaching about making a more complicated backup solution. When people talk about back solutions someone always comes along and says how you really need to have two solutions, one local and one remote. If even one person doesn't backup at all because they tried to implement a dual backup and found it too hard then the original person has caused more harm then good. *For many reasons including the backup one.
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nishantmodak 17y ago
I back-up most of my important files as an email attachment. is it just me who does this way?
wallingf 17y ago
Thanks for all the advice. I'll look into BackBlaze and a few other suggestions today.

36 points by bgray 17y ago

Agreed 100%, home PC back-ups are not optional in this day and age. Our home computer contains pretty much the entire record of my 2-year-old's life in photo and video. If we lost that to a hard drive crash, I'd never forgive myself (not to mention what my wife would have to say). With software like Time Machine, an on-site backup is nearly automatic, and I've had an archive up and running on a separate server for the past two years. My next step is putting together an off-site backup system, in case of fire, burglary or natural disaster. My plan is to buy a couple of spare drives and leave one at an out-of-state family member's house, rotating them out when we visit for holidays.

jrwoodruff 17y ago
As an alternative to you holiday off-site backup plan, you could checkout backblaze.com. I haven't tried the service yet, but they offer unlimited backup space for $5/mo.or $50/year. The only reason I haven't tried this is I'm just not sure how long that initial upload would take, what with 500+ gigs of stuff to backup :) If you used to augment your full backup though, it would be a good last resort, failsafe backup
- sstrudeau 17y ago
  I've been using Backblaze. Love it. It's the perfect "I don't have to think about it" backup system. Cheap. Off-site. No worrying about usage limits. Automatic.
  - chime 17y ago
    Is Backblaze fast? I use Mozy and it really sucks. It's slow, the Windows app takes FOREVER to show me my files and the web-interface is just plain bad. I'm looking for an alternative but I don't want to switch to yet another app that's just as bad.
  - nooneelse 17y ago
    Anyone able to compare Backblaze and CrashPlan (I'm was about to start using it this weekend) from personal experience? Looks like several computers can be done with cheaper with CrashPlan, but maybe that misses something I should consider.
icefox 17y ago
Got a Time Capsule last fall, started backing up my macbook and didn't think about it after that. Working in the background, automatically, over wifi with a setup of minutes. Used it for the first time last week to recover a file. Paid for itself right there and then.
quickpost 17y ago
Good call on the offsite backup. I do something very similar to your idea. I rented a safe deposit box at my bank, and every month or so I head over and get access to it to swap out my hard drives with the latest backup. That way even if the house burns down, etc., I'm covered. It's low-tech, but it scales quite well. I can store multiple terabytes at a secure, offsite location for about $50 / year.

jreposa 17y ago

I've been putting off buying a Drobo (with Network share) for Time Machine backups, but as a new father I need to get it ASAP. Besides Drobo, anyone have other suggestions?

sreitshamer 17y ago
You could try Arq http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ It'll back up whichever folders you choose to your own S3 account, which is very fast and reliable. It backs up and restores all Mac metadata corrrectly, stores versioned backups (like Time Machine), fully encrypted, has drag-and-drop restore, de-duplication, no limits on file sizes or drive types.
- cperciva 17y ago
  It would be polite to identify yourself as the author of Arq when you advertise it. I often mention Tarsnap here, but I do my best to make sure that people understand that I'm somewhat biased when I espouse its benefits.
  - sreitshamer 16y ago
    Good point, thanks! I'll definitely do that next time.
rarrrrrr 17y ago
Tarsnap, Arq, and SpiderOak are backup services created by HNers.

ja27 17y ago

My wife and kids all have Dropbox accounts. I spent a little time training them to save everything important to "My Dropbox" instead. Works great for smaller stuff. Maybe Dropbox needs a family plan?

FraaJad 17y ago
Family plan is one of the best features in "CrashPlan".

bcl 17y ago

Currently I use a BackupPC system on the LAN to do nightly backups of all my systems. My mac mini is backed up automatically via Time Machine as well, and I do a nightly backup of the MacBook with SuperDuper. Setup of rsyncd on the one windows laptop is a bit of a pain, but it works well. My current concern is off-site backups. I have none, and need something. The problem is that I can't backup the BackupPC pool (~700G of backups) and since I'm horrible about determining what to save and throw away I end up keeping everything. I think I'm hosed :)

stuff4ben 17y ago

Idea for an enterprising entrepreneur: create an app that does a multi-site/format backup. You decide which folders/file-pattern go to the cloud i.e. Dropbox and which go to your external HD. I have almost 300GB of videos and pictures of the kids that I don't want backed up to the cloud (too expensive and too time consuming). However I also have ~500MB of text files, word docs, tax forms (pdf's printed from Turbotax online) that would be perfect to backup to the cloud since that wouldn't take any time at all. Then this software would automate this so that anytime I add new pictures/videos, it would automatically go to the external HD. Anytime I create/update a word doc it automatically gets uploaded/synced to Dropbox. Perhaps the backup software could watch certain folders and automate the backups for me so I don't even have to think about it. Heck I might even pick-up C# and learn me some Windows programming.

andrewdavey 17y ago

I just got an Acer Windows Home Server machine. It does complete machine level backups of all the home/office PCs. I found it very easy to set up and has given me piece of mind at last!

streety 17y ago
I hope I'm wrong but it sounds suspiciously like all your backups are in one physical location. You may well be protected against an individual drive failing but what about a more calamitous event such as a fire or flooding?
- andrewdavey 17y ago
  A good point - they are. However, I have Mozy taking care of critical files for me as well :)
- icefox 17y ago
  So clearly I should rotate my backups between my three alternating sites and have a whole system where... No. I think I would screw up. In fact I know I would screw up because when I used to do that I would forget every few weeks and eventually I didn't bother because it was a hassle. Talking about backups are funny. We all like to talk about how we should have a great system, but for the vast majority of people if they simply had one automatic local backup they would be so much better off it isn't funny. When my mom's pc died her super backup system (one hd at home one at work) was months out of date. When my dad's mac hd died he got a new hd, and restored from the Mac Time Capsule overnight. They both have macs now* As much as I would like to advocate super backup solutions I feel that anyone that actually has a local solution that is automatic and runs is way better then someone who is preaching about making a more complicated backup solution. When people talk about back solutions someone always comes along and says how you really need to have two solutions, one local and one remote. If even one person doesn't backup at all because they tried to implement a dual backup and found it too hard then the original person has caused more harm then good. *For many reasons including the backup one.
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nishantmodak 17y ago

I back-up most of my important files as an email attachment. is it just me who does this way?

wallingf 17y ago

Thanks for all the advice. I'll look into BackBlaze and a few other suggestions today.