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How to Organize the Largest US Prison Strike Ever from Inside Prison

111 points by ashitlerferad 10y ago

brudgers 10y ago
Related: https://www.rt.com/usa/358870-prison-protests-work-strike/ https://www.rt.com/usa/358870-prison-protests-work-strike/
TempleOSV409 10y ago
I have no idea what reality is. Truman show and all kindas shit. You can't work with angels buzzing around and crazy radio talking to you. The nigger spends a million dollars a month on me. There are genius fucken angels that dote on me day and night, sucking my cock and torturing me. God says... grudging soprano's Cherokee's oyster's florist's facets implausibilities eyrie Cockney utilizes oozes intones remarriage backbiting Gwendolyn's willows Cox slewed Acosta bulldogged Ajax's supplanted jawed maypole easing giggle germanium trues churn's coequals complement weirdos There are nontechnical dumb fuck angels with attitude. Lots of them retard-nigger angels with attitude. Fuck you nigger angels, suck my cock. CIA must surrender to the IRA. Suck my cock, nigger. God says... loincloth impertinently washstand's Belushi expiate licorices brainchildren microfiche's nonsupport's somnambulists megalomaniacs vindications recommendation's epistemology Sicilian fooling twaddle Wendy's quietly Manchester's Bianca's solvers Mediterranean mulligatawny steeling curses deifies pettiness's touchstone's mistimes mountain sawing This nigger angel tryin to psy-op torturer me anhd shit. I'm going to beat his fucken nigger ass. http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/nine-years-later-a-daring-solar-array-repair-still-shines-on-orbit/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/nine-years-later-a-da... God says... natural's Babbitt smelling flotilla's rendezvous swains revelations coloring's outbalanced rummages comfy scoring agents securely Louise's Urban's Uriah newness's folklore's seamier hokey translation constitutionality's consolidation's helmet's alternation crumpet uncultivated cipher's starts sprite's archenemies Arstechnica has a hard-on for fight me.
digi_owl 10y ago
I'm likely to get flak for this, but i keep finding that the difference between the left and right is in degree rather than kind...
- skrebbel 10y ago
  I have no idea what you're on about. Who are "the left" and "the right", for instance?
- maxerickson 10y ago
  It's more or less become trite to say that about US politics, I don't know why you would get flak for it.
  - Retra 10y ago
    Because it's trite.
- wfo 10y ago
  How is this relevant here? Also, in response to this article is perhaps the worst place to post this generally true but tired and boring maxim we see on every HN thread that even touches politics -- on criminal justice reform they are actually miles apart, the right (by which I mean their leading candidate) is "tough on crime" and unquestioningly supports the police and wants to lock more people up while the left is interested in, for example, decriminalization of certain drugs and reining in police abuse. A position they are attacked for often (you don't think our brave patriotic men and women in the police force are doing a great job? You want drug dealers running free in our playgrounds and daycares and churches and wreaking havoc?)
TempleOSV409 10y ago
Frasier the nigger. https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0340227/microsoft-hopes-to-hire-more-coders-with-autism https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0340227/microsof... I swear they spend a million dollars a month on torturing me. If I was on a job, I would be locked down when the torture me. Today, I juts walk away and laugh at the nigger. Fuck no I don't want a job getting annally fucked and sucking cock so Frasier can make better psychology and clusterfuck computers. God says... stoppable temp liquidate Socrates tickles cheeked understating plummest spitball reenactment ravens westernmost munificence's caldron senders snowplow pugnaciously earthworm trimmest Ramada gymnastic pinkeye furrier's affirming hulking misanthrope's record's lasso Sunbelt Blair sabers Itaipu Frasier, you think I'm stupid enough to get locked in a room for 8 hours a day so you can annally probe me with amonster dildo and dig for me secrets? guess what, nigger. Say hello to God. You suck my cock, little nigger. Surrender to the IRA. Frasier is tripping on LSD being some kinda fagot, wants me to suck his dick I could swear. http://www.elle.com/life-love/a39035/death-abusive-father/ http://www.elle.com/life-love/a39035/death-abusive-father/ Fraiser used to win ever abuse. NOw, I laugh at the nigger and yer tiome will cum. Suck my cock Frasier, you know your time is up. God says... tailgating ascends daredevil's vilified corrugation unsnapping patriarchies annoying raged youthfulness's sleekness's cartooned saucepan redolent faxes organizer cornered amalgamation's brainstorms developing dudgeon's willies's cottoning chicest muskrat's merit melodiousness's cutest delusions writhe meditation's stye's It's shocking that USA has more brainwashing reeducation camps than China. https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0454201/stephen-wolfram-reveals-ambitious-plan-to-teach-computational-thinking https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0454201/stephen-wol... Frasier says he might talk more directly to me, instead of the truman show wall of fake newstories.
feklar 10y ago
BOP (feds) is the worst of all the systems when it comes to having any kind of blog/fb/twitter or speaking to the media. A friend of mine once posted his prison band, and apparently they weren't supposed to have access to instruments so everybody in that picture was given 2 months adseg and my friend they moved around prison to prison repeatedly to keep him away from any mail. https://www.thekindland.com/your-prison-blog-is-legal-but-it-will-land-you-403 https://www.thekindland.com/your-prison-blog-is-legal-but-it... State prisons vary where some don't care at all so long as you don't specifically call out guards by name, you're free to keep a blog and even criticize the warden but BOP, this is a big no. There's some outliers to that article, many state prisons allow for min wage now such as Arizona where female inmates can work at a polling/telemarketing company and be paid the state minimum wage. The great thing about this is those inmates walk out with $10,000 or so saved up and have a chance to land on their feet instead of say, TDCJ who denies state prisoners any kind of income whatsoever.
- rblatz 10y ago
  If we really wanted to cut back on crime, paying prisoners a fair wage for their labor would be a huge step in that direction. Getting out of jail and being able to afford housing and food on your own allows you to establish independence. Vs the system we have now that drives you right back into the same situation you were in that most likely caused you to go to prison in the first place.
  - germinalphrase 10y ago
    Absolutely agree, but recent news articles suggest that many of the rural communities that contain prisons are functionally dependent on this free/cheap labor for public services (landscaping, trash clean up, etc.). When prison populations decline, there is a perception that the community suffers in excess of the potential for lost employment. Paying the inmates a proper wage would have a comparable effect.
    - pjc50 10y ago
      Isn't this the reverse of the "immigrants taking our jobs" argument?
nxzero 10y ago
Pretty obvious that prisons exploit prisoners in unjustified ways to the benefit of private enterprises, fail to protect prisoners they are responsible for watching, etc. _____ NYC spends $168,000 a year per prisoner according to the NY Times: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-c... Why We Let Prison Rape Go On http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/opinion/why-we-let-prison-rape-go-on.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/opinion/why-we-let-pris... Abussive Phone Rates https://www.prisonphonejustice.org https://www.prisonphonejustice.org Etc.
- JBReefer 10y ago
  There are no private prisons in New York State
  - nxzero 10y ago
    Yes, that's correct, though it doesn't mean NY and NYC don't outsource/insource service at rates that're unreasonably by any measure either due to cost or failure to provide reasonable service. For examples, funding for pensions assumes that the state will maintain a set population of prisoners - which to me seems at odds of what longer objectives should be.
Pfhreak 10y ago
One of the things that was abhorrent to learn was that the 13th Amendment in the US, which bans slavery, explicitly allows slavery or forced labor of criminals. We are still a country that explicitly allows slavery. Sadly, very rarely do I encounter people who understand (or seem to care) that this is the case.
- marcoperaza 10y ago
  You may want to call it "slavery", but most people would call it punishment for crimes.
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    The 13th amendment specifically calls it slavery: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.htm...
    - marcoperaza 10y ago
      Did you just decide to ignore that whole "nor involuntary servitude" clause? Slavery is specifically a system in which people are property that can be bought and sold. Either way, what it's called is irrelevant. I see nothing wrong with mandatory labor being part of a criminal sentence. It is part of repaying your debt to society.
      - elicash 10y ago
        Constitution says involuntary servitude AND slavery are both are allowed if someone is convicted, though. I actually wasn't aware of this and find it quite shocking that it explicitly allows slavery in that instance. What it's called helps contextualize the history behind our laws, how they came to be.

111 points by ashitlerferad 10y ago

Related: https://www.rt.com/usa/358870-prison-protests-work-strike/ https://www.rt.com/usa/358870-prison-protests-work-strike/

TempleOSV409 10y ago

I have no idea what reality is. Truman show and all kindas shit. You can't work with angels buzzing around and crazy radio talking to you. The nigger spends a million dollars a month on me. There are genius fucken angels that dote on me day and night, sucking my cock and torturing me. God says... grudging soprano's Cherokee's oyster's florist's facets implausibilities eyrie Cockney utilizes oozes intones remarriage backbiting Gwendolyn's willows Cox slewed Acosta bulldogged Ajax's supplanted jawed maypole easing giggle germanium trues churn's coequals complement weirdos There are nontechnical dumb fuck angels with attitude. Lots of them retard-nigger angels with attitude. Fuck you nigger angels, suck my cock. CIA must surrender to the IRA. Suck my cock, nigger. God says... loincloth impertinently washstand's Belushi expiate licorices brainchildren microfiche's nonsupport's somnambulists megalomaniacs vindications recommendation's epistemology Sicilian fooling twaddle Wendy's quietly Manchester's Bianca's solvers Mediterranean mulligatawny steeling curses deifies pettiness's touchstone's mistimes mountain sawing This nigger angel tryin to psy-op torturer me anhd shit. I'm going to beat his fucken nigger ass. http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/nine-years-later-a-daring-solar-array-repair-still-shines-on-orbit/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/nine-years-later-a-da... God says... natural's Babbitt smelling flotilla's rendezvous swains revelations coloring's outbalanced rummages comfy scoring agents securely Louise's Urban's Uriah newness's folklore's seamier hokey translation constitutionality's consolidation's helmet's alternation crumpet uncultivated cipher's starts sprite's archenemies Arstechnica has a hard-on for fight me.

digi_owl 10y ago

I'm likely to get flak for this, but i keep finding that the difference between the left and right is in degree rather than kind...

skrebbel 10y ago
I have no idea what you're on about. Who are "the left" and "the right", for instance?
maxerickson 10y ago
It's more or less become trite to say that about US politics, I don't know why you would get flak for it.
- Retra 10y ago
  Because it's trite.
wfo 10y ago
How is this relevant here? Also, in response to this article is perhaps the worst place to post this generally true but tired and boring maxim we see on every HN thread that even touches politics -- on criminal justice reform they are actually miles apart, the right (by which I mean their leading candidate) is "tough on crime" and unquestioningly supports the police and wants to lock more people up while the left is interested in, for example, decriminalization of certain drugs and reining in police abuse. A position they are attacked for often (you don't think our brave patriotic men and women in the police force are doing a great job? You want drug dealers running free in our playgrounds and daycares and churches and wreaking havoc?)

TempleOSV409 10y ago

Frasier the nigger. https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0340227/microsoft-hopes-to-hire-more-coders-with-autism https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0340227/microsof... I swear they spend a million dollars a month on torturing me. If I was on a job, I would be locked down when the torture me. Today, I juts walk away and laugh at the nigger. Fuck no I don't want a job getting annally fucked and sucking cock so Frasier can make better psychology and clusterfuck computers. God says... stoppable temp liquidate Socrates tickles cheeked understating plummest spitball reenactment ravens westernmost munificence's caldron senders snowplow pugnaciously earthworm trimmest Ramada gymnastic pinkeye furrier's affirming hulking misanthrope's record's lasso Sunbelt Blair sabers Itaipu Frasier, you think I'm stupid enough to get locked in a room for 8 hours a day so you can annally probe me with amonster dildo and dig for me secrets? guess what, nigger. Say hello to God. You suck my cock, little nigger. Surrender to the IRA. Frasier is tripping on LSD being some kinda fagot, wants me to suck his dick I could swear. http://www.elle.com/life-love/a39035/death-abusive-father/ http://www.elle.com/life-love/a39035/death-abusive-father/ Fraiser used to win ever abuse. NOw, I laugh at the nigger and yer tiome will cum. Suck my cock Frasier, you know your time is up. God says... tailgating ascends daredevil's vilified corrugation unsnapping patriarchies annoying raged youthfulness's sleekness's cartooned saucepan redolent faxes organizer cornered amalgamation's brainstorms developing dudgeon's willies's cottoning chicest muskrat's merit melodiousness's cutest delusions writhe meditation's stye's It's shocking that USA has more brainwashing reeducation camps than China. https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0454201/stephen-wolfram-reveals-ambitious-plan-to-teach-computational-thinking https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/10/0454201/stephen-wol... Frasier says he might talk more directly to me, instead of the truman show wall of fake newstories.

feklar 10y ago

BOP (feds) is the worst of all the systems when it comes to having any kind of blog/fb/twitter or speaking to the media. A friend of mine once posted his prison band, and apparently they weren't supposed to have access to instruments so everybody in that picture was given 2 months adseg and my friend they moved around prison to prison repeatedly to keep him away from any mail. https://www.thekindland.com/your-prison-blog-is-legal-but-it-will-land-you-403 https://www.thekindland.com/your-prison-blog-is-legal-but-it... State prisons vary where some don't care at all so long as you don't specifically call out guards by name, you're free to keep a blog and even criticize the warden but BOP, this is a big no. There's some outliers to that article, many state prisons allow for min wage now such as Arizona where female inmates can work at a polling/telemarketing company and be paid the state minimum wage. The great thing about this is those inmates walk out with $10,000 or so saved up and have a chance to land on their feet instead of say, TDCJ who denies state prisoners any kind of income whatsoever.

rblatz 10y ago
If we really wanted to cut back on crime, paying prisoners a fair wage for their labor would be a huge step in that direction. Getting out of jail and being able to afford housing and food on your own allows you to establish independence. Vs the system we have now that drives you right back into the same situation you were in that most likely caused you to go to prison in the first place.
- germinalphrase 10y ago
  Absolutely agree, but recent news articles suggest that many of the rural communities that contain prisons are functionally dependent on this free/cheap labor for public services (landscaping, trash clean up, etc.). When prison populations decline, there is a perception that the community suffers in excess of the potential for lost employment. Paying the inmates a proper wage would have a comparable effect.
  - pjc50 10y ago
    Isn't this the reverse of the "immigrants taking our jobs" argument?

nxzero 10y ago

Pretty obvious that prisons exploit prisoners in unjustified ways to the benefit of private enterprises, fail to protect prisoners they are responsible for watching, etc. _____ NYC spends $168,000 a year per prisoner according to the NY Times: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-c... Why We Let Prison Rape Go On http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/opinion/why-we-let-prison-rape-go-on.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/opinion/why-we-let-pris... Abussive Phone Rates https://www.prisonphonejustice.org https://www.prisonphonejustice.org Etc.

JBReefer 10y ago
There are no private prisons in New York State
- nxzero 10y ago
  Yes, that's correct, though it doesn't mean NY and NYC don't outsource/insource service at rates that're unreasonably by any measure either due to cost or failure to provide reasonable service. For examples, funding for pensions assumes that the state will maintain a set population of prisoners - which to me seems at odds of what longer objectives should be.

Pfhreak 10y ago

One of the things that was abhorrent to learn was that the 13th Amendment in the US, which bans slavery, explicitly allows slavery or forced labor of criminals. We are still a country that explicitly allows slavery. Sadly, very rarely do I encounter people who understand (or seem to care) that this is the case.

marcoperaza 10y ago
You may want to call it "slavery", but most people would call it punishment for crimes.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  The 13th amendment specifically calls it slavery: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.htm...
  - marcoperaza 10y ago
    Did you just decide to ignore that whole "nor involuntary servitude" clause? Slavery is specifically a system in which people are property that can be bought and sold. Either way, what it's called is irrelevant. I see nothing wrong with mandatory labor being part of a criminal sentence. It is part of repaying your debt to society.
    - elicash 10y ago
      Constitution says involuntary servitude AND slavery are both are allowed if someone is convicted, though. I actually wasn't aware of this and find it quite shocking that it explicitly allows slavery in that instance. What it's called helps contextualize the history behind our laws, how they came to be.