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It's not going to kill professional photography, but the folks who buy a DSLR for the bokeh might not have a reason to buy that camera. Might shrink the market

by vcarl 10y ago

It's not going to kill professional photography, but the folks who buy a DSLR for the bokeh might not have a reason to buy that camera. Might shrink the market for DSLRs.

coralreef 10y ago
I'm curious to know how well the bokeh/shallow depth works on the 7+. By the looks of it they use facial recognition and machine learning to determine what not to blur. This means objects and figures that aren't faces might not be tuned too well.
- _s 10y ago
  I don't think it's that complicated; more of a diff between two focus points from the lenses.
  - coralreef 10y ago
    did you see the presentation?
ksml 10y ago
I don't doubt that the iPhone will shrink the market for DSLRs eventually, but I don't think it's going to do it to a significant extent just yet (not much more than it already has been). I'm skeptical that people buy DSLRs just for the bokeh, and anyways the samples that they showed look nowhere near as good as real bokeh from a nice lens. I think non-photographers buy DSLRs because they still take better pictures than smartphones in certain situations, particularly when an optical zoom would be desired (e.g. A kid's performance or graduation). The new iPhone comes a step closer to potentially addressing some of those situations, but it's still limited; 56mm full-frame equivalent is not really all that zoomed in, and AFAIK there isn't yet any way to zoom between the 28mm lens and 56mm lens any better than traditional digital zoom (i.e. cropping and rescaling).
andrewaylett 10y ago
Google's camera app has had the ability to generate a depth-map to add bokeh for a couple of years now: https://research.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-blur-in-new-google-camera-app.html https://research.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-blur-in-new-goo... It actually works surprisingly well, but I've not traded in my SLR. Being able to do something similar with a second lens -- or even using Project Tango sensors -- to avoid the post-exposure motion would make it more useful, but I suspect still not as versatile (and even with my SLR, the difference between my relatively cheap lenses and borrowing someone's more expensive lenses, on the same body, is quite obvious).

by vcarl 10y ago

It's not going to kill professional photography, but the folks who buy a DSLR for the bokeh might not have a reason to buy that camera. Might shrink the market for DSLRs.

coralreef 10y ago

I'm curious to know how well the bokeh/shallow depth works on the 7+. By the looks of it they use facial recognition and machine learning to determine what not to blur. This means objects and figures that aren't faces might not be tuned too well.

_s 10y ago
I don't think it's that complicated; more of a diff between two focus points from the lenses.
- coralreef 10y ago
  did you see the presentation?

ksml 10y ago

I don't doubt that the iPhone will shrink the market for DSLRs eventually, but I don't think it's going to do it to a significant extent just yet (not much more than it already has been). I'm skeptical that people buy DSLRs just for the bokeh, and anyways the samples that they showed look nowhere near as good as real bokeh from a nice lens. I think non-photographers buy DSLRs because they still take better pictures than smartphones in certain situations, particularly when an optical zoom would be desired (e.g. A kid's performance or graduation). The new iPhone comes a step closer to potentially addressing some of those situations, but it's still limited; 56mm full-frame equivalent is not really all that zoomed in, and AFAIK there isn't yet any way to zoom between the 28mm lens and 56mm lens any better than traditional digital zoom (i.e. cropping and rescaling).

andrewaylett 10y ago

Google's camera app has had the ability to generate a depth-map to add bokeh for a couple of years now: https://research.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-blur-in-new-google-camera-app.html https://research.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-blur-in-new-goo... It actually works surprisingly well, but I've not traded in my SLR. Being able to do something similar with a second lens -- or even using Project Tango sensors -- to avoid the post-exposure motion would make it more useful, but I suspect still not as versatile (and even with my SLR, the difference between my relatively cheap lenses and borrowing someone's more expensive lenses, on the same body, is quite obvious).