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> I don't think that was what was being said at all, if I did then I would agree with you. I think "tech luminaries" were used as examples of people that would

> I don't think that was what was being said at all, if I did then I would agree with you. I think "tech luminaries" were used as examples of people that would be known here, and that have fairly liberal views on race that could have been different with a different environment when young. Bill Gates is actively trying to segregate schools by forcing public school systems to adopt magnet and charter schools. Statistically, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the creation of magnet and charter schools results in increased segregation. Sacrilege, I know. To put this another way, I will make a definitive statement. The entire US is filled with racist policies regardless of region, both in the past and present. Unless you find reason to argue with this statement I'm not sure what your problem is with my refusal to accept the pigeon-holing of the South as the US' paragon of racism.

kbenson 10y ago
> Bill Gates is actively trying to segregate schools by forcing public school systems to adopt magnet and charter schools. Statistically, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the creation of magnet and charter schools results in increased segregation. Sacrilege, I know. I think that topic is complex enough that a simple correlation based on what maybe proposed is not easily provably, much less a causation. Unless you are making an argument that he's both aware of race problems this might cause and doesn't care (as in, has no plans to mitigate or reverse it in any way), I'm not sure how this speaks towards his feeling on race equality, and therefore I'm not sure how it's relevant. > Unless you find reason to argue with this statement I'm not sure what your problem is with my refusal to accept the pigeon-holing of the South as the US' paragon of racism. Since you've graciously given me an opening to express what I think is wrong with that statement, I'll do so, rather than ignore it in favor of a non-sequitur. Everywhere in the US is filled with racist policies, regardless of region. Some places more so than others, either currently or in the past. That makes them useful as examples. Just as Everywhere in the world is filled with racist policies, regardless of country. Some places more so than others. That doesn't mean we can't draw meaningful comparisons based on how they compare relatively. Unless you are ready to address why it's unfair to reference past southern racism, which I've gone to pains to point out I think was the point and you haven't refuted in any way, I don't see any reason to continue. I get it, your're upset at how the South gets singled out. That doesn't really make it unfair. It's possible and understandable for both to be true.

kbenson 10y ago

> Bill Gates is actively trying to segregate schools by forcing public school systems to adopt magnet and charter schools. Statistically, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the creation of magnet and charter schools results in increased segregation. Sacrilege, I know. I think that topic is complex enough that a simple correlation based on what maybe proposed is not easily provably, much less a causation. Unless you are making an argument that he's both aware of race problems this might cause and doesn't care (as in, has no plans to mitigate or reverse it in any way), I'm not sure how this speaks towards his feeling on race equality, and therefore I'm not sure how it's relevant. > Unless you find reason to argue with this statement I'm not sure what your problem is with my refusal to accept the pigeon-holing of the South as the US' paragon of racism. Since you've graciously given me an opening to express what I think is wrong with that statement, I'll do so, rather than ignore it in favor of a non-sequitur. Everywhere in the US is filled with racist policies, regardless of region. Some places more so than others, either currently or in the past. That makes them useful as examples. Just as Everywhere in the world is filled with racist policies, regardless of country. Some places more so than others. That doesn't mean we can't draw meaningful comparisons based on how they compare relatively. Unless you are ready to address why it's unfair to reference past southern racism, which I've gone to pains to point out I think was the point and you haven't refuted in any way, I don't see any reason to continue. I get it, your're upset at how the South gets singled out. That doesn't really make it unfair. It's possible and understandable for both to be true.