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Repair is only applicable when there is victim. The other point is that certain acts can not be meaningfully repaired/repaid within our current societal context

by zo1 10y ago

Repair is only applicable when there is victim. The other point is that certain acts can not be meaningfully repaired/repaid within our current societal context. I.e. How do you measure the repayment or actions-required to repair a life that is taken by someone? I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. Yet, keeping someone locked up in an unproductive cage, to watch them wither away is somehow "rehabilitating" them. It's not, it's punishing them, it's revenge.

cloverich 10y ago
> Yet, keeping someone locked up in an unproductive cage, to watch them wither away is somehow "rehabilitating" them. I don't think most people claim its rehabilitation. I think the "rehabilitation" angle is political word play and would bet that most people who support harsh prison sentences see it (and support it) as punishment.
- dTal 10y ago
  There's an element of doublethink, yes. But the entire system pretends to be about rehabilitation. The language is everywhere. Even prisons are "correctional facilities". It's troublesome because it makes it difficult to have a conversation about actual rehabilitation. Interesting question - why is the "political wordplay" even necessary?
hiddenkrypt 10y ago
Many Prisoners are used as a source of virtually free labor already. Unfortunately this is being done as exploitation, without regard to how it may help or harm the prisoners used.
bluehazed 10y ago
> I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. It's just slavery with extra steps.
- zo1 10y ago
  Extra steps? I'm not sure I follow.
  - e40 10y ago
    It's a Rick and Morty (TV show) reference. EDIT: 02x06 - The Ricks Must Be Crazy, it's a very good ep.
rndgermandude 10y ago
Not just you would argue indentured servitude should be at least an option: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
sangnoir 10y ago
> I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery I don't see any discomfort presently, even though the constitution exempts prisoners from protection against slavery.The Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."[1] 1. Stolen from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2037139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2037139

by zo1 10y ago

cloverich 10y ago

> Yet, keeping someone locked up in an unproductive cage, to watch them wither away is somehow "rehabilitating" them. I don't think most people claim its rehabilitation. I think the "rehabilitation" angle is political word play and would bet that most people who support harsh prison sentences see it (and support it) as punishment.

dTal 10y ago
There's an element of doublethink, yes. But the entire system pretends to be about rehabilitation. The language is everywhere. Even prisons are "correctional facilities". It's troublesome because it makes it difficult to have a conversation about actual rehabilitation. Interesting question - why is the "political wordplay" even necessary?

hiddenkrypt 10y ago

Many Prisoners are used as a source of virtually free labor already. Unfortunately this is being done as exploitation, without regard to how it may help or harm the prisoners used.

bluehazed 10y ago

> I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery. It's just slavery with extra steps.

zo1 10y ago
Extra steps? I'm not sure I follow.
- e40 10y ago
  It's a Rick and Morty (TV show) reference. EDIT: 02x06 - The Ricks Must Be Crazy, it's a very good ep.

rndgermandude 10y ago

Not just you would argue indentured servitude should be at least an option: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

sangnoir 10y ago

> I would argue indentured servitude is a valid way to go, but it makes people uncomfortable because they see it as slavery I don't see any discomfort presently, even though the constitution exempts prisoners from protection against slavery.The Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."[1] 1. Stolen from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2037139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2037139