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Well I'd much rather have Advancement over Happiness. We can be happy our entire lives but if everyones dies before 100 and humanity never goes anywhere I would

Well I'd much rather have Advancement over Happiness. We can be happy our entire lives but if everyones dies before 100 and humanity never goes anywhere I wouldn't consider that a successful society. Happiness is masturbating 24/7 until you die. If you truly believe that is the goal of humanity I can't help but disagree.

metaphorm 10y ago
are you serious? that reads like satire.
- forthefuture 10y ago
  I guess I'm coming from the wrong side. I think happiness for its own sake is really meaningless. I'd much rather struggle and advance than be happy doing nothing until I die, but I guess I'm in the minority. Happiness, to me, is a choice to not let negative things make you unhappy. You can acknowledge negativities and not be consumed by them. Fighting for happiness is like fighting for peace. You win by not fighting anymore. I'm sorry if this opinion somehow reads like satire.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    well, that's not what you said. you said "Advancement over Happiness". I think most people would agree with "to be happy, don't struggle for it, just be". Your original post, the one that seemed satirical to me, sounded like it was endorsing some notion of material accumulation at the expense of human fulfillment.
    - forthefuture 10y ago
      Oh, yeah I didn't mean it to sound that way. In that context I'd say that I believe that moving humanity forward provides more fulfillment than just being happy.
      - Newtopian 10y ago
        that's just it, ask 100 people what "advancement" and "Moving Humanity forward" and you'd likely get 100 different definitions. Same goes for hapiness.
      - solipsism 10y ago
        Fulfillment is part of the definition of being happy! Stop this circular logic!
    - bhandziuk 10y ago
      I didn't get the impression that Advancement == material accumulation. Advancement could be making the world better, gaining knowledge, or maybe advancement to a depressed person is finding happiness. Pretty broad meaning. But the same could be said for happiness. Some people find happiness in gaining knowledge.
  - DavidWanjiru 10y ago
    I would argue advancement ultimately begets happiness, eg, you cure cancer, you save lives, which makes those lives, and the lives that love them, happy. If the advancement does not serve a purpose that brings happiness, what's the point of advancing?
  - r-w 10y ago
    > I'd much rather struggle and advance than be happy doing nothing until I die Clearly you’re not capable of being happy doing nothing; otherwise, you would prefer it over anything else.
- nugga 10y ago
  I read it as totally sincere show of support for continuous technological advancement. My belief is that ultimately humanity will take full control of their existence. Science & technology is what will lead us there.
duaneb 10y ago
How do you define "advancement" without happiness? What are you advancing toward?
- Urbanxassassin 10y ago
  Advancement is masturbating 24/7 until you die, apparently.
pharrington 10y ago
> Happiness is masturbating 24/7 until you die Try it for one week and report back on how happy that made you. My assertion is that most people, just like you, actually enjoy doing shit! Of course, your one week fapathon may provoke data to the contrary.
avindroth 10y ago
That's plain-old hedonism you are describing. Real happiness is from enlightened hedonism. Take into account the physical tire and emptiness of masturbating 24/7.

metaphorm 10y ago

are you serious? that reads like satire.

forthefuture 10y ago
I guess I'm coming from the wrong side. I think happiness for its own sake is really meaningless. I'd much rather struggle and advance than be happy doing nothing until I die, but I guess I'm in the minority. Happiness, to me, is a choice to not let negative things make you unhappy. You can acknowledge negativities and not be consumed by them. Fighting for happiness is like fighting for peace. You win by not fighting anymore. I'm sorry if this opinion somehow reads like satire.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  well, that's not what you said. you said "Advancement over Happiness". I think most people would agree with "to be happy, don't struggle for it, just be". Your original post, the one that seemed satirical to me, sounded like it was endorsing some notion of material accumulation at the expense of human fulfillment.
  - forthefuture 10y ago
    Oh, yeah I didn't mean it to sound that way. In that context I'd say that I believe that moving humanity forward provides more fulfillment than just being happy.
    - Newtopian 10y ago
      that's just it, ask 100 people what "advancement" and "Moving Humanity forward" and you'd likely get 100 different definitions. Same goes for hapiness.
    - solipsism 10y ago
      Fulfillment is part of the definition of being happy! Stop this circular logic!
  - bhandziuk 10y ago
    I didn't get the impression that Advancement == material accumulation. Advancement could be making the world better, gaining knowledge, or maybe advancement to a depressed person is finding happiness. Pretty broad meaning. But the same could be said for happiness. Some people find happiness in gaining knowledge.
- DavidWanjiru 10y ago
  I would argue advancement ultimately begets happiness, eg, you cure cancer, you save lives, which makes those lives, and the lives that love them, happy. If the advancement does not serve a purpose that brings happiness, what's the point of advancing?
- r-w 10y ago
  > I'd much rather struggle and advance than be happy doing nothing until I die Clearly you’re not capable of being happy doing nothing; otherwise, you would prefer it over anything else.
nugga 10y ago
I read it as totally sincere show of support for continuous technological advancement. My belief is that ultimately humanity will take full control of their existence. Science & technology is what will lead us there.

duaneb 10y ago

How do you define "advancement" without happiness? What are you advancing toward?

Urbanxassassin 10y ago
Advancement is masturbating 24/7 until you die, apparently.

pharrington 10y ago

> Happiness is masturbating 24/7 until you die Try it for one week and report back on how happy that made you. My assertion is that most people, just like you, actually enjoy doing shit! Of course, your one week fapathon may provoke data to the contrary.

avindroth 10y ago

That's plain-old hedonism you are describing. Real happiness is from enlightened hedonism. Take into account the physical tire and emptiness of masturbating 24/7.