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Can we please stop prefixing "Zen-" onto things as a sort of trendy, cool "hey, it's well designed and simple" signifier? It's borderline racist. Would you cal

Can we please stop prefixing "Zen-" onto things as a sort of trendy, cool "hey, it's well designed and simple" signifier? It's borderline racist. Would you call a project management tool "Jewhub" or "Catholichub"?

dragonwriter 10y ago
> It's borderline racist No, its not. Zen isn't a race (or even ethnicity). Its perhaps religiously insensitive to Zen Buddhists; I'm really not sure how they tend to view the fact that -- largely through non-religious philosophical works directly influenced from contact with, though not necessarily relaying the teachings of, Zen Buddhism -- rather than, e.g., hostile stereotyping of Zen Buddhism -- the term "zen" has taken on a more general sense of simplicity and minimalism in popular culture, which is actually what the name directly relates to.
- pjlegato 10y ago
  Yes, it is. Zen as such is a religion and philosophy from Japan; it is intrinsically Japanese, by definition, just as Judaism is by definition intrinsically of the Hebrew ethnicity. I am aware of the use the term has taken on in popular culture, divorced from its original context -- that's precisely what I'm complaining about. This trend is nothing more than ongoing cultural appropriation of exotic cachet and a watered-down stereotyped design aestheic from a faraway foreign ethnicity, in order to seem cool and sophisticated to other westerners. Websites labeled Zenwhatever have nothing to do with actual zen. It's a philosophical blackface minstrel show. That the stereotypes being promoted about an ethno-religious identity seem to be positive and flattering is irrelevant. Few people would call their accounting software "Jewbook" to trade on a supposedly positive and flattering image of Jews as prudent financial managers -- yet "Zenefits" is supposedly fine. Indeed, 50 or 100 years ago, many people widely used the word "Jew" as an adjective in a positive and flattering sense related to "having business acumen" or "being a good negotiator," and when challenged offered very similar defenses to the one you just offered, about how "jew" had by then become a generic word for something good, divorced of its original context, and not a religious stereotype or insult in any sense. In Japanese culture, incidentally, Zen is most typically associated with Japanese racial superiority ideology and far-right wing militarism. How ironic considering its cachet among young, cool progressive types in the west!
  - ttam 10y ago
    Actually wikipedia says that Zen is originally Chinese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen
    - mping 10y ago
      if you dig further, it is indian: Dhyana -> Chan(na) -> Zen.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> It's borderline racist No, its not. Zen isn't a race (or even ethnicity). Its perhaps religiously insensitive to Zen Buddhists; I'm really not sure how they tend to view the fact that -- largely through non-religious philosophical works directly influenced from contact with, though not necessarily relaying the teachings of, Zen Buddhism -- rather than, e.g., hostile stereotyping of Zen Buddhism -- the term "zen" has taken on a more general sense of simplicity and minimalism in popular culture, which is actually what the name directly relates to.

pjlegato 10y ago
Yes, it is. Zen as such is a religion and philosophy from Japan; it is intrinsically Japanese, by definition, just as Judaism is by definition intrinsically of the Hebrew ethnicity. I am aware of the use the term has taken on in popular culture, divorced from its original context -- that's precisely what I'm complaining about. This trend is nothing more than ongoing cultural appropriation of exotic cachet and a watered-down stereotyped design aestheic from a faraway foreign ethnicity, in order to seem cool and sophisticated to other westerners. Websites labeled Zenwhatever have nothing to do with actual zen. It's a philosophical blackface minstrel show. That the stereotypes being promoted about an ethno-religious identity seem to be positive and flattering is irrelevant. Few people would call their accounting software "Jewbook" to trade on a supposedly positive and flattering image of Jews as prudent financial managers -- yet "Zenefits" is supposedly fine. Indeed, 50 or 100 years ago, many people widely used the word "Jew" as an adjective in a positive and flattering sense related to "having business acumen" or "being a good negotiator," and when challenged offered very similar defenses to the one you just offered, about how "jew" had by then become a generic word for something good, divorced of its original context, and not a religious stereotype or insult in any sense. In Japanese culture, incidentally, Zen is most typically associated with Japanese racial superiority ideology and far-right wing militarism. How ironic considering its cachet among young, cool progressive types in the west!
- ttam 10y ago
  Actually wikipedia says that Zen is originally Chinese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen
  - mping 10y ago
    if you dig further, it is indian: Dhyana -> Chan(na) -> Zen.