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Sarcastically, I ask you: I would like to express myself by spray-painting swastikas on the side of your house. Is that protected? I would expect not, but that

by mabbo 10y ago

Sarcastically, I ask you: I would like to express myself by spray-painting swastikas on the side of your house. Is that protected? I would expect not, but that means there's a line somewhere. Where is it?

chris_wot 10y ago
Sure as hell not even close to that famous photo.
ivan_gammel 10y ago
Border line is the existence of service contract. If I allow anyone write anything legal on the wall of my house (the service I offer), I cannot restrict "anyone" to "white male", "anything legal" to "something I'll decide later what" etc.
- euyyn 10y ago
  Who says Facebook lets you post anything legal? Their terms of service surely restrict things like this?
  - ivan_gammel 10y ago
    I'm answering generic question. Regarding Facebook, their terms of service are questionable from this point, because they restrict protected freedom of speech.
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falcolas 10y ago
I'm afraid this analogy is off-base. To echo Ivan's comment, I'm not offering my house as a freely available communication medium to the world, from which I profit. If I were, then this would be a more valid line of argument. Nobody's spraypainting on Facebook's house here. They're using it as it was intended: as a method of one-to-many communication for messages which contain nothing illegal.
- npiazza83 10y ago
  A more apt analogy might be our phone networks for person to person communication. The public thrives on the basis of such "dumb carriers" as the internet itself. I can forsee either regulation or self imposed ubiquitous clear CATEGORIES of rights for speech from users on sites and applications similar to software licensing. You would have a Facebook under the <Proprietary license> A Facebook under the <Academic Free License> A Facebook under the <GNU General Public License> A Facebook under the <MIT License> either under a parent company or as distinct entity. Some are free, some cost money, some may receive tax benefit or government subsidy, all according to how they align with net neutrality regulations, are staffed and moderated.
Noseshine 10y ago
Fortunately you don't have to come up with your very own made-up example: We have a very concrete case that is the subject of this entire story submission.
PavlovsCat 10y ago
There isn't a line, there are poles. Even laws are interpreted by judges who have moods, and what not. Why quibble about imaginary lines in an instance where it's not anywhere close? Could such a line even exist? What is the precise length of the coast of any island? Depends on the resolution, and if you have high enough resolution it also depends on the precise moment you measure. Can you name any "line", at all, in any sort of dilemma? Obviously it's okay for you to gently tip on the shoulder of someone blocking your way in certain situations, but in other's it's rude, not to mention "physically interacting" with them with more force and different intentions. Where do you draw "THE LINE"? Between being polite and being impolite, as well as being impolite and assault? How would you write the rule book to determine it in any situation for a minimum wage Facebook employee or algorithm so they wouldn't have to apply any of their own judgement? And just because you couldn't, just because nobody including God could, would you still refrain from judging even extreme cases with some certainty?
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  > Can you name any "line", at all, in any sort of dilemma? So? You know, maybe at least try to answer that, as a thought experiment and learning experience for yourself.
dredmorbius 10y ago
Is it the action or the message that's prevented? Is there free access to anyone to do same? What ove a telephone line over which only specific messages may be sent? What of a wireless earpiece connection over which only designated messages may be sent, or to which only designated devices may connect?

by mabbo 10y ago

chris_wot 10y ago

Sure as hell not even close to that famous photo.

ivan_gammel 10y ago

Border line is the existence of service contract. If I allow anyone write anything legal on the wall of my house (the service I offer), I cannot restrict "anyone" to "white male", "anything legal" to "something I'll decide later what" etc.

euyyn 10y ago
Who says Facebook lets you post anything legal? Their terms of service surely restrict things like this?
- ivan_gammel 10y ago
  I'm answering generic question. Regarding Facebook, their terms of service are questionable from this point, because they restrict protected freedom of speech.
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falcolas 10y ago

I'm afraid this analogy is off-base. To echo Ivan's comment, I'm not offering my house as a freely available communication medium to the world, from which I profit. If I were, then this would be a more valid line of argument. Nobody's spraypainting on Facebook's house here. They're using it as it was intended: as a method of one-to-many communication for messages which contain nothing illegal.

npiazza83 10y ago
A more apt analogy might be our phone networks for person to person communication. The public thrives on the basis of such "dumb carriers" as the internet itself. I can forsee either regulation or self imposed ubiquitous clear CATEGORIES of rights for speech from users on sites and applications similar to software licensing. You would have a Facebook under the <Proprietary license> A Facebook under the <Academic Free License> A Facebook under the <GNU General Public License> A Facebook under the <MIT License> either under a parent company or as distinct entity. Some are free, some cost money, some may receive tax benefit or government subsidy, all according to how they align with net neutrality regulations, are staffed and moderated.

Noseshine 10y ago

Fortunately you don't have to come up with your very own made-up example: We have a very concrete case that is the subject of this entire story submission.

PavlovsCat 10y ago

There isn't a line, there are poles. Even laws are interpreted by judges who have moods, and what not. Why quibble about imaginary lines in an instance where it's not anywhere close? Could such a line even exist? What is the precise length of the coast of any island? Depends on the resolution, and if you have high enough resolution it also depends on the precise moment you measure. Can you name any "line", at all, in any sort of dilemma? Obviously it's okay for you to gently tip on the shoulder of someone blocking your way in certain situations, but in other's it's rude, not to mention "physically interacting" with them with more force and different intentions. Where do you draw "THE LINE"? Between being polite and being impolite, as well as being impolite and assault? How would you write the rule book to determine it in any situation for a minimum wage Facebook employee or algorithm so they wouldn't have to apply any of their own judgement? And just because you couldn't, just because nobody including God could, would you still refrain from judging even extreme cases with some certainty?

PavlovsCat 10y ago
> Can you name any "line", at all, in any sort of dilemma? So? You know, maybe at least try to answer that, as a thought experiment and learning experience for yourself.

dredmorbius 10y ago

Is it the action or the message that's prevented? Is there free access to anyone to do same? What ove a telephone line over which only specific messages may be sent? What of a wireless earpiece connection over which only designated messages may be sent, or to which only designated devices may connect?