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None of that changes the fact that, in English, "America" typically denotes the US and not the Western Hemisphere as a whole. You're splitting hairs over people

by ocb 10y ago

None of that changes the fact that, in English, "America" typically denotes the US and not the Western Hemisphere as a whole. You're splitting hairs over people using a word differently in English than they do in Spanish.

jordigh 10y ago
But you can't forget where the meaning comes from. I'm sure lots of people use "nigger", confederate flags, or "banana republic" without any malice too, but it doesn't mean that the people who hear it don't hear the malice. It's not about English vs Spanish. It's not just a false cognate like "compromise" vs "compromiso" or "preservative" vs "preservativo". It's a term loaded with political meaning. It's about US vs America. Sure, the US is powerful and has managed to convince most of the world, even the parts that don't speak English, that the US is the only America worth talking about. On the other hand, Canada isn't entirely happy about not being America either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE
- ocb 10y ago
  You don't get it. Singular "America" in its common usage in English to refer to the US is absolutely not a politically loaded term, at least not in the sense that you are saying. Your assertion to the contrary because you were taught differently in a non-Anglophone country does not change that. Language cannot be divorced from culture.
  - jordigh 10y ago
    It is politically loaded to many people who hear it. Testament to the fact: "Murica" is used as a joke word to refer to things such as giant hot dogs, big guns, or invading other countries. Further testament to the fact: the song America the Beautiful, the saying "God bless America", America, land of the free. Using "United States" in any of these would sound awkward and wrong, right? "United States the beautiful"? That is because "America" is overwhelmingly used with positive connotations, but only for the US, and that is what I'm protesting. The rest of America also wants these positive connotations, but instead we get not-quite-America such as Latin America, South America, or some other-adjective-America.
    - ocb 10y ago
      It has political connotations in those specific contexts (and "Murica" is ironic critique of those political connotations). Now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism You're essentially arguing that it's a bad thing that this outdated nationalistic concept is not widely attributed to non-US states in the Americas.

by ocb 10y ago

jordigh 10y ago

But you can't forget where the meaning comes from. I'm sure lots of people use "nigger", confederate flags, or "banana republic" without any malice too, but it doesn't mean that the people who hear it don't hear the malice. It's not about English vs Spanish. It's not just a false cognate like "compromise" vs "compromiso" or "preservative" vs "preservativo". It's a term loaded with political meaning. It's about US vs America. Sure, the US is powerful and has managed to convince most of the world, even the parts that don't speak English, that the US is the only America worth talking about. On the other hand, Canada isn't entirely happy about not being America either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE

ocb 10y ago
You don't get it. Singular "America" in its common usage in English to refer to the US is absolutely not a politically loaded term, at least not in the sense that you are saying. Your assertion to the contrary because you were taught differently in a non-Anglophone country does not change that. Language cannot be divorced from culture.
- jordigh 10y ago
  It is politically loaded to many people who hear it. Testament to the fact: "Murica" is used as a joke word to refer to things such as giant hot dogs, big guns, or invading other countries. Further testament to the fact: the song America the Beautiful, the saying "God bless America", America, land of the free. Using "United States" in any of these would sound awkward and wrong, right? "United States the beautiful"? That is because "America" is overwhelmingly used with positive connotations, but only for the US, and that is what I'm protesting. The rest of America also wants these positive connotations, but instead we get not-quite-America such as Latin America, South America, or some other-adjective-America.
  - ocb 10y ago
    It has political connotations in those specific contexts (and "Murica" is ironic critique of those political connotations). Now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism You're essentially arguing that it's a bad thing that this outdated nationalistic concept is not widely attributed to non-US states in the Americas.