> What you say isn't the same as my admittedly extreme "Mother Nature sheds a tear." But a phrase like "the ecosystem collapses out from under us" implies that

> What you say isn't the same as my admittedly extreme "Mother Nature sheds a tear." But a phrase like "the ecosystem collapses out from under us" implies that climate change is a total and unambiguous attack on "the ecosystem." This is the assumption that I often feel is inadequately justified. It doesn't matter if there's any concept of an attack, as such. If, for instance, the pollinators of our food crops go extinct, then our food crops will suffer a die-off and we will go hungry.