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Lots of things disappeared around Christianity -- the Dionysos cult and all the Roman/Greek worship, the druids, the Asa religion, Catharism, etc, etc. The Chr

by berntb 10y ago

Lots of things disappeared around Christianity -- the Dionysos cult and all the Roman/Greek worship, the druids, the Asa religion, Catharism, etc, etc. The Christians stopped supporting that type of thing after they lost most of their worldly power. Now it is just the rest of the murderous and intolerant religions and ideologies left...

fit2rule 10y ago
Christians are still calling, regularly, for the blood of their enemies. Don't kid yourself that there aren't Christians who believe the society and its powers that they created shouldn't be used to perpetuate their religion. States all over the world have to deal with this extremism..
- berntb 10y ago
  News to me, despite that I think Dawkins is soft on religion. :-) Which Christians -- and where -- are calling for the blood of their enemy because of Christianity? How many are killed? Google tells me it was eight people in total regarding abortion clinics in the US. Over decades. (Edit: I can tell you that the main Swedish church refuses to criticise the people oppressing, murdering and expelling Christians from Gaza and Egypt. They criticize Israel literally thousands of times more. This seems to be more because they were pirated by left wing extremists than by nazi influence.)
  - nl 10y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousand... We could talk about the Balkans wars too if you'd like. Or the NLFT in India. Sadly I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
    - berntb 10y ago
      Those are rounding errors if you compare with the 30 year war, the Huguenots or what Cromwell did on Ireland... Or that the total non Muslim population is being forced out of the Middle East right now! The Central African Republic was revenge for what a Muslim militia did -- "Those evil groups are taking revenge in the same way we did to them!" Seriously... that is the worst you have? :-) From your own article: "... the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims." And civil wars have always been incredibly horrible and dirty. The Balkans were also more ethnic than anything else -- and not exactly one sided either. :-( According to Wikipedia, that Indian group had less than a thousand members. In total. That is a joke, compared to European history. (Or what goes on in Pakistan and Afghanistan today, for that matter. Check percentage Hindu of the population of Pakistan and Bangladesh over the last 50 years; it is not only the Middle East.)
      - nl 10y ago
        I'm confused what point you think you are making? Religion = bad, yes I agree. Some magical quality of Christianity makes it better somehow? I disagree.
        berntb 10y ago
        Sorry, being a day late -- the point I'm trying to make is that we pulled the claws and fangs out of our priests in the west. It was not a nice experience, but now it is done. Globally, at least the Catholics are heavily influenced by the West, too. We just need to guard against a recurrence of the bad old days and the Islamists. My point, to put it another way, isn't that Christianity is nice -- my point is that those clowns are relatively harmless today, compared to history and the Islamists.
        fit2rule 10y ago
        And you are incorrect. There are insane Christians who want more than ever to usher in the 'new era of Christ' by bringing their Armageddon down upon us all. Those people should not be part of the US Military-Industrial complex, nor should these extremists be allowed access to power. However, they are in power today.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/christian-identity https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideo...

by berntb 10y ago

fit2rule 10y ago

Christians are still calling, regularly, for the blood of their enemies. Don't kid yourself that there aren't Christians who believe the society and its powers that they created shouldn't be used to perpetuate their religion. States all over the world have to deal with this extremism..

berntb 10y ago
News to me, despite that I think Dawkins is soft on religion. :-) Which Christians -- and where -- are calling for the blood of their enemy because of Christianity? How many are killed? Google tells me it was eight people in total regarding abortion clinics in the US. Over decades. (Edit: I can tell you that the main Swedish church refuses to criticise the people oppressing, murdering and expelling Christians from Gaza and Egypt. They criticize Israel literally thousands of times more. This seems to be more because they were pirated by left wing extremists than by nazi influence.)
- nl 10y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousand... We could talk about the Balkans wars too if you'd like. Or the NLFT in India. Sadly I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
  - berntb 10y ago
    Those are rounding errors if you compare with the 30 year war, the Huguenots or what Cromwell did on Ireland... Or that the total non Muslim population is being forced out of the Middle East right now! The Central African Republic was revenge for what a Muslim militia did -- "Those evil groups are taking revenge in the same way we did to them!" Seriously... that is the worst you have? :-) From your own article: "... the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims." And civil wars have always been incredibly horrible and dirty. The Balkans were also more ethnic than anything else -- and not exactly one sided either. :-( According to Wikipedia, that Indian group had less than a thousand members. In total. That is a joke, compared to European history. (Or what goes on in Pakistan and Afghanistan today, for that matter. Check percentage Hindu of the population of Pakistan and Bangladesh over the last 50 years; it is not only the Middle East.)
    - nl 10y ago
      I'm confused what point you think you are making? Religion = bad, yes I agree. Some magical quality of Christianity makes it better somehow? I disagree.
      - berntb 10y ago
        Sorry, being a day late -- the point I'm trying to make is that we pulled the claws and fangs out of our priests in the west. It was not a nice experience, but now it is done. Globally, at least the Catholics are heavily influenced by the West, too. We just need to guard against a recurrence of the bad old days and the Islamists. My point, to put it another way, isn't that Christianity is nice -- my point is that those clowns are relatively harmless today, compared to history and the Islamists.
        fit2rule 10y ago
        And you are incorrect. There are insane Christians who want more than ever to usher in the 'new era of Christ' by bringing their Armageddon down upon us all. Those people should not be part of the US Military-Industrial complex, nor should these extremists be allowed access to power. However, they are in power today.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/christian-identity https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideo...