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I've also spoken to a lot of them, and the majority (of them) completely disagree with you. Maybe both of our sets of women engineers involve some selection bi

by jshevek 10y ago

I've also spoken to a lot of them, and the majority (of them) completely disagree with you. Maybe both of our sets of women engineers involve some selection bias? Regardless, I find this... > Maybe you should talk to some women engineers sometime and get their opinion. ... and the implication that you have enough information to conclude that the parent simply _could not_ have already talked to women engineers - and the further implication that your assessment of the opinions of women engineers must necessarily be canonical - to be strangely arrogant, condescending, and unconstructive.

stale2002 10y ago
I don't know what to tell you man. We can just look at the article. Or any of the posts in this thread that claim to be from a woman. Every post from the article seems to support my claim and not yours. Thats only N= 4 or 5, but thats still something. "and the implication that you have enough information to conclude that the parent simply _could not_ have already talked to women engineers " Yes, this is indeed my implication. That he could not have possibly already talked to very many women. I would say the same thing if someone were to claim "Racism in America is over!" Such a person who makes this claim has clearly not talked to very many black people, or hasn't listened to them.
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  > Yes, this is indeed my implication. That he could not have possibly already talked to very many women. Wait, me? Heh. That proves, as a matter of fact, that you don't know shit about me. > I would say the same thing if someone were to claim "Racism in America is over!" Except I didn't make any such declaration, I said what I actually said, and you deflected from those actual words by fantasizing about me based on a straw man. I didn't say everything is fair for women, I say there is way bigger unfairness on other levels, up to murder and carpet bombing, and I know plenty of intelligent strong women who exactly zero problems not only realizing that, they'd feel insulted if I didn't assume they know that. I mean, geez.

by jshevek 10y ago

stale2002 10y ago

I don't know what to tell you man. We can just look at the article. Or any of the posts in this thread that claim to be from a woman. Every post from the article seems to support my claim and not yours. Thats only N= 4 or 5, but thats still something. "and the implication that you have enough information to conclude that the parent simply _could not_ have already talked to women engineers " Yes, this is indeed my implication. That he could not have possibly already talked to very many women. I would say the same thing if someone were to claim "Racism in America is over!" Such a person who makes this claim has clearly not talked to very many black people, or hasn't listened to them.

PavlovsCat 10y ago
> Yes, this is indeed my implication. That he could not have possibly already talked to very many women. Wait, me? Heh. That proves, as a matter of fact, that you don't know shit about me. > I would say the same thing if someone were to claim "Racism in America is over!" Except I didn't make any such declaration, I said what I actually said, and you deflected from those actual words by fantasizing about me based on a straw man. I didn't say everything is fair for women, I say there is way bigger unfairness on other levels, up to murder and carpet bombing, and I know plenty of intelligent strong women who exactly zero problems not only realizing that, they'd feel insulted if I didn't assume they know that. I mean, geez.