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> It can be stressful and hostel to everyone equally. I believe that is the case. Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whor

> It can be stressful and hostel to everyone equally. I believe that is the case. Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. None of them seem particularly concerned that they are assumed to be technical, and I am assumed to be administrative. I wonder why all of these things do not seem to be equally stressful to them? Can you think of any reasons? /s I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been.

refurb 10y ago
Of your three examples, I can think of many woman who wouldn't care about the first two at all. They throw around bitch, slut, whore without concern and they aren't having kids so they don't care about the maternity leave. Those first two seem more like your personal preferences than something universally despised by women.
- morgtheborg 10y ago
  Your argument is that it would "stressful and hostile to everyone equally" to casually use sexist language or not provide maternity leave? I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man. So you're saying women need to be treated differently? Sounds a bit sexist.
flukus 10y ago
> Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. >None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. Did you ask about the paternity leave? > I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been. You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? I have a hard enough time clarifying me thoughts fast enough in meetings, I really wouldn't want to do it with tits bouncing around and a raging boner. Side note, most men don't really like strip clubs, it's one of those things we are expected to pretend to love.
- morgtheborg 10y ago
  > There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. The words I listed were the ones they were primarily using to put down one another. I cannot even imagine the man who would use those terms in the workplace in America aimed at a woman and expect to keep his job. With men, it's often apologized for and then hushed under the guise of "harmless joking". I'm not in a frat house. I'm at work. > Did you ask about the paternity leave? Yes. I made the point that in order to not create incentives to hire men over women we needed to create an equal workplace where the business "harm" caused by a pregnancy in someone's family was equal regardless of gender. Otherwise, honestly, there's quite a good business reason to hire a man over a woman, all other things being equal. > You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? Do I think that I was turned down from the job partially because of their assumption a woman would be less comfortable in that environment than a man? Yes. Considering the gender ratios in those environments, I'd consider that a reasonable assumption. I'd find it difficult to believe the average man's discomfort rivals the average woman's discomfort in that setting.

refurb 10y ago

Of your three examples, I can think of many woman who wouldn't care about the first two at all. They throw around bitch, slut, whore without concern and they aren't having kids so they don't care about the maternity leave. Those first two seem more like your personal preferences than something universally despised by women.

morgtheborg 10y ago
Your argument is that it would "stressful and hostile to everyone equally" to casually use sexist language or not provide maternity leave? I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man.
- flukus 10y ago
  > I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man. So you're saying women need to be treated differently? Sounds a bit sexist.

flukus 10y ago

> Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. >None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. Did you ask about the paternity leave? > I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been. You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? I have a hard enough time clarifying me thoughts fast enough in meetings, I really wouldn't want to do it with tits bouncing around and a raging boner. Side note, most men don't really like strip clubs, it's one of those things we are expected to pretend to love.

morgtheborg 10y ago
> There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. The words I listed were the ones they were primarily using to put down one another. I cannot even imagine the man who would use those terms in the workplace in America aimed at a woman and expect to keep his job. With men, it's often apologized for and then hushed under the guise of "harmless joking". I'm not in a frat house. I'm at work. > Did you ask about the paternity leave? Yes. I made the point that in order to not create incentives to hire men over women we needed to create an equal workplace where the business "harm" caused by a pregnancy in someone's family was equal regardless of gender. Otherwise, honestly, there's quite a good business reason to hire a man over a woman, all other things being equal. > You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? Do I think that I was turned down from the job partially because of their assumption a woman would be less comfortable in that environment than a man? Yes. Considering the gender ratios in those environments, I'd consider that a reasonable assumption. I'd find it difficult to believe the average man's discomfort rivals the average woman's discomfort in that setting.