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This kind of stupidity is why I think I can never take a gov't job. I don't think I'd last a week. Sorry you had to put up with it.

by rewrew 10y ago

ridgeguy 10y ago
Any reason why you think this is unique to government employment? My experience in both gov't and private sector work suggests it's ordinary human nature.
colinbartlett 10y ago
What about things the US Digital Service or 18F? The image they present is that those teams are different and outside the standard government bureaucracy. I'm skeptical.
- zacharycohn 10y ago
  Employee of 18F here, speaking unofficially. We care a lot about security - both from the technical side and from the policy compliance side!
  - Godel_unicode 10y ago
    > We care a lot about security Which is doubtless why you ignore the TIC guidelines, etc
  - rdtsc 10y ago
    How was recruitment?. Someone I know tried to get a got job there, got stuck in the queue forever. Was told to wait months. So eventually gave up and took another job.
    - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
      USAJobs is badly in need of an 18F overhaul.
      - deleted 10y ago
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    - fern12 10y ago
      Sometimes it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. I applied (and was rejected) for at least 50 federal positions before I was hired. My organization needed someone fast to replace a 20-year fed who was retiring. They compiled a list of all the candidates who made the cert, and in the end, a veteran was selected. Except she wasn't a veteran, not even close. She had lied on her application, and assumed that no one would follow through - and she was almost right, because OPM clearly didn't do anything. But one of my bosses is an Air Force reservist, and he caught it right away. They went back to the original list, and to make a long story short, I was hired even though I'm a non-veteran with only private sector experience. To anyone who is really determined to make it happen, I've heard Kathryn Troutman's books recommended by coworkers.
    - zacharycohn 10y ago
      Hiring in gov't is hard. We've had to pause and refactor our hiring process several times. Long delays are just as frustrating to us, trust me. It's getting better all the time though.

This kind of stupidity is why I think I can never take a gov't job. I don't think I'd last a week. Sorry you had to put up with it.

by rewrew 10y ago

This kind of stupidity is why I think I can never take a gov't job. I don't think I'd last a week. Sorry you had to put up with it.

ridgeguy 10y ago

Any reason why you think this is unique to government employment? My experience in both gov't and private sector work suggests it's ordinary human nature.

colinbartlett 10y ago

What about things the US Digital Service or 18F? The image they present is that those teams are different and outside the standard government bureaucracy. I'm skeptical.

zacharycohn 10y ago
Employee of 18F here, speaking unofficially. We care a lot about security - both from the technical side and from the policy compliance side!
- Godel_unicode 10y ago
  > We care a lot about security Which is doubtless why you ignore the TIC guidelines, etc
- rdtsc 10y ago
  How was recruitment?. Someone I know tried to get a got job there, got stuck in the queue forever. Was told to wait months. So eventually gave up and took another job.
  - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
    USAJobs is badly in need of an 18F overhaul.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
  - fern12 10y ago
    Sometimes it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. I applied (and was rejected) for at least 50 federal positions before I was hired. My organization needed someone fast to replace a 20-year fed who was retiring. They compiled a list of all the candidates who made the cert, and in the end, a veteran was selected. Except she wasn't a veteran, not even close. She had lied on her application, and assumed that no one would follow through - and she was almost right, because OPM clearly didn't do anything. But one of my bosses is an Air Force reservist, and he caught it right away. They went back to the original list, and to make a long story short, I was hired even though I'm a non-veteran with only private sector experience. To anyone who is really determined to make it happen, I've heard Kathryn Troutman's books recommended by coworkers.
  - zacharycohn 10y ago
    Hiring in gov't is hard. We've had to pause and refactor our hiring process several times. Long delays are just as frustrating to us, trust me. It's getting better all the time though.