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There are thousands of Men that are 'forced out' of technology jobs every day due to not making the cut during there interviews or leaving for a long list of re

There are thousands of Men that are 'forced out' of technology jobs every day due to not making the cut during there interviews or leaving for a long list of reasons. No one has shown that the general environment in technology focus businesses is more hostel to women then Men. It can be stressful and hostel to everyone equally. I believe that is the case. Woman have better options for careers in many professions with less stress and saner hours.

Mz 10y ago
I appear to be the top ranked woman on HN. I have a Certificate in GIS. I have dealt with quite a lot of crap that I am confident is due to my gender. I am aware that men are not welcomed with open arms merely for being male. But women can do everything "right" and find it still isn't enough. It is a genuine and frustrating problem for me personally. It is a problem space I have worked on for some years. I am sorry you remain unconvinced. It is extremely real to me.
- generic_user 10y ago
  Men also have a lot of 'crap' that is because of there gender also. Lost jobs and being looked over for promotions for the explicit reason that there was an artificial quota for people with a Female genitalia to fill certain positions. Regardless of how unskilled or uninterested they were in the work. I am sure many Men have had this brutal injustice perpetrated against them. There is a level of aggressiveness and bulling allowed towards Men which would never be allowed towards Woman. It is simply seen as 'survival of the fittest' in most organisations and even encouraged by management in many cases. Serious health problems, depression and even death have resulted because of these type of environments. Where is the outrage for this injustice? "women can do everything "right" and find it still isn't enough." Yes, and so can Men. This is not gender specific this is just the brutal reality of working life. Most people have been crushed at one point or another in there career by what seems like an undeserved attack on them personally. If you can not separate that personal experience from the larger Industry and world in general you are putting yourself into permanent psychosis of fear and oppression. The world does not owe you anything even if you're the best, smartest, nicest person in the world. You have to work through hardships and move on in life.
  - shutItBrad 10y ago
    Add this to your men hardship list: if I find out any men-inists work for me, I will fire them. Not a culture fit.
morgtheborg 10y ago
> It can be stressful and hostel to everyone equally. I believe that is the case. Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. None of them seem particularly concerned that they are assumed to be technical, and I am assumed to be administrative. I wonder why all of these things do not seem to be equally stressful to them? Can you think of any reasons? /s I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been.
- refurb 10y ago
  Of your three examples, I can think of many woman who wouldn't care about the first two at all. They throw around bitch, slut, whore without concern and they aren't having kids so they don't care about the maternity leave. Those first two seem more like your personal preferences than something universally despised by women.
  - morgtheborg 10y ago
    Your argument is that it would "stressful and hostile to everyone equally" to casually use sexist language or not provide maternity leave? I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man.
    - flukus 10y ago
      > I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man. So you're saying women need to be treated differently? Sounds a bit sexist.
- flukus 10y ago
  > Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. >None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. Did you ask about the paternity leave? > I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been. You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? I have a hard enough time clarifying me thoughts fast enough in meetings, I really wouldn't want to do it with tits bouncing around and a raging boner. Side note, most men don't really like strip clubs, it's one of those things we are expected to pretend to love.

Mz 10y ago

I appear to be the top ranked woman on HN. I have a Certificate in GIS. I have dealt with quite a lot of crap that I am confident is due to my gender. I am aware that men are not welcomed with open arms merely for being male. But women can do everything "right" and find it still isn't enough. It is a genuine and frustrating problem for me personally. It is a problem space I have worked on for some years. I am sorry you remain unconvinced. It is extremely real to me.

generic_user 10y ago
Men also have a lot of 'crap' that is because of there gender also. Lost jobs and being looked over for promotions for the explicit reason that there was an artificial quota for people with a Female genitalia to fill certain positions. Regardless of how unskilled or uninterested they were in the work. I am sure many Men have had this brutal injustice perpetrated against them. There is a level of aggressiveness and bulling allowed towards Men which would never be allowed towards Woman. It is simply seen as 'survival of the fittest' in most organisations and even encouraged by management in many cases. Serious health problems, depression and even death have resulted because of these type of environments. Where is the outrage for this injustice? "women can do everything "right" and find it still isn't enough." Yes, and so can Men. This is not gender specific this is just the brutal reality of working life. Most people have been crushed at one point or another in there career by what seems like an undeserved attack on them personally. If you can not separate that personal experience from the larger Industry and world in general you are putting yourself into permanent psychosis of fear and oppression. The world does not owe you anything even if you're the best, smartest, nicest person in the world. You have to work through hardships and move on in life.
- shutItBrad 10y ago
  Add this to your men hardship list: if I find out any men-inists work for me, I will fire them. Not a culture fit.

morgtheborg 10y ago

> It can be stressful and hostel to everyone equally. I believe that is the case. Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. None of them seem particularly concerned that they are assumed to be technical, and I am assumed to be administrative. I wonder why all of these things do not seem to be equally stressful to them? Can you think of any reasons? /s I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been.

refurb 10y ago
Of your three examples, I can think of many woman who wouldn't care about the first two at all. They throw around bitch, slut, whore without concern and they aren't having kids so they don't care about the maternity leave. Those first two seem more like your personal preferences than something universally despised by women.
- morgtheborg 10y ago
  Your argument is that it would "stressful and hostile to everyone equally" to casually use sexist language or not provide maternity leave? I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > I'm not suggesting an "all women" situation here, but I am claiming all three examples would be significantly more stressful and hostile to the average woman than the average man. So you're saying women need to be treated differently? Sounds a bit sexist.
flukus 10y ago
> Eh, none of the men seem particularly perturbed by the term bitch, slut, whore, etc until I point out it makes me uncomfortable. There are plenty of pejoratives for men too, they are likely using those to refer to each other. >None of them seem particularly disturbed by the subpar maternity leave until, again, I bring it up. Did you ask about the paternity leave? > I literally was turned down from a job I later learned routinely had business meetings at a strip club. I highly doubt any of the men were uncomfortable and I highly doubt you're confused as to why I would have been. You don't think plenty of men would have been uncomfortable in the same situation? I have a hard enough time clarifying me thoughts fast enough in meetings, I really wouldn't want to do it with tits bouncing around and a raging boner. Side note, most men don't really like strip clubs, it's one of those things we are expected to pretend to love.