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I'm still holding out for Visual Studio for Mac.APP, not crummy Xamarin or a glorified text editor.

by ZanyProgrammer 10y ago

mastax 10y ago
You'll be holding out for a long time, then.
- deleted 10y ago
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vetinari 10y ago
You can find it under name IntelliJ IDEA.app ;)
- bdcravens 10y ago
  Was working with Angular 2 code today. WebStorm: 1.2gb memory used. VS Code: 45mb. WS gives me a few bells and whistles, but I prefer Code's lightness, and that it doesn't have a "screw you I'm indexing again" mode.
  - vetinari 10y ago
    I like vscode too, but that does not mean, that they are in the same weight category. Vscode is "just" an editor, while IDEA is a full-blown IDE. The original poster wanted the full Visual Studio, not vscode. (However, for some reason, I like the code completion in python mode in IDEA more than in vscode. It doesn't feel right, like the IDEA one does.)
  - szines 10y ago
    In terms of WebStorm, dont forget to exclude tmp folders and other generated, transpiled content folder to exclude from indexing, otherweise it will be always busy. :)
    - Noseshine 10y ago
      Which by the way is the very first thing that I found as recommendation for how to configure projects for VSCode when I tried it today, and very explicitly: See 'Using the "exclude" property' on https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/jsconfig https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/jsconfig > The exclude attribute tells the language service what files are and are not part of your > source code. This keeps performance at a high level. If IntelliSense is slow, add folders > to your exclude list (VS Code will prompt you to do this if it detects the slow down). I went back to WebStorm though after checking VSCode out. I'm using "static type checking through IDE an JSDoc" instead of TypeScript or Flow, although I'm always evaluating both. This far I keep watching them, WebStorm alerts me to type mismatches based on all the JSDoc and Google Closure compiler type annotations I have for each and every variable, function and parameter. VSCode supports it a lot less well than WebStorm, which if you use TypeScript won't matter that much to you. I'll probably go with Flow at some point, WebStorm is getting support for it right now, it's in the current EAP (early access program). I think those who use TypeScript may probably be the closest to getting what I would get from WebStorm, although the latter also has very good TypeScript support. What I like about WebStorm is that they react pretty quickly to (good) bug reports, I filed about a hundred and 2/3rd of them have been solved quickly, of the remaining various type inference issues for example for destructured variables or parameters still need fixing, but that's because of my JSDoc reliance which I'm not sure many other people use.
tdicola 10y ago
Huh, are you thinking of developing Win32 API apps on OSX?
- ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
  MVC websites, which you can do with Xamarin as well?
Analemma_ 10y ago
What would full Visual Studio get you that VSC does not? IMO, the main awesomesauce of VS, and its advantages over other IDEs and editors, are 1. The first-in-class debugger 2. Intellisense 3. Really good support for Windows-specific technologies like Win32 and COM VSC has 1 and 2 either now, or on its roadmap. As for 3, why do you want to develop for Windows on a Mac? I guess I don't understand what you need that VSC isn't already giving you, or planning to.
- duaneb 10y ago
  Refactoring. Does that come with Intellisense? I've found that even 'rename this symbol' is extremely hard to find support for even in static languages.
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    It does, but it requires support from language services so it's language dependent (just because a language has syntax highlighting, it may not necessarily have 'rename symbol' support)
  - softawre 10y ago
    VS Code does good renames (across project) in TypeScript, at least. VS still has a ton more features though.
- rayiner 10y ago
  Not guzzling battery life at idle would be a good start.
- to3m 10y ago
  I don't appear to be able to put the debugger windows wherever I want in VSCode, let alone create additional ones... so I'd say that VSCode isn't really a substitute :(
- tomc1985 10y ago
  Visual GUI editor (though that was a bigger deal in the past) First-in-class C# support Refactors Object browser Hit "F1" to get help on that function Search everywhere Templates / Code library MSDN is very thorough (if wordy), lots of examples and documentation * * * I use VSCode at work a bit; it's faster than Atom but not as fast as sublime. It's a decent code editor, I guess if I was full-on JS I'd love it but it's still kinda eh Lots of good progress though; I definitely have my eye on this one
romanovcode 10y ago
I'm working with C# on Mac with this and it works perfectly fine. Debugger and intellisense is good enough to work with. It will never be as advanced as VS but then again, VS will (probably) never come to Mac.
- duncanawoods 10y ago
  Can you share your instructions for setting it up please? I found it very unconvincing last time I tried - I had weird errors installing .net Core, weird errors setting up tools in VS code and found no definitive instructions. I expected it to work pretty much out of the box... but no.
  - sixothree 10y ago
    I installed .Net Core on a brand new Mac following the (seemingly very simple) instructions on Microsoft's web site and had errors too. Not impressed with that aspect at all. Not sure if my fixes were correct or if everything was working correctly so I just abandoned .Net Core on the Mac.
    - romanovcode 10y ago
      Okey guys there has been some additions in what you need to do nowadays because of some problem regarding encryption libraries. What you do on mac is: brew update brew install openssl ln -s /usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/libcrypto.1.0.0.dylib /usr/local/lib/ ln -s /usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/libssl.1.0.0.dylib /usr/local/lib/ Then download the .net core installer for mac and it will work. Also make sure you download the C# extension in VS Code.

I'm still holding out for Visual Studio for Mac.APP, not crummy Xamarin or a glorified text editor.

mastax 10y ago

You'll be holding out for a long time, then.

deleted 10y ago
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vetinari 10y ago

You can find it under name IntelliJ IDEA.app ;)

bdcravens 10y ago
Was working with Angular 2 code today. WebStorm: 1.2gb memory used. VS Code: 45mb. WS gives me a few bells and whistles, but I prefer Code's lightness, and that it doesn't have a "screw you I'm indexing again" mode.
- vetinari 10y ago
  I like vscode too, but that does not mean, that they are in the same weight category. Vscode is "just" an editor, while IDEA is a full-blown IDE. The original poster wanted the full Visual Studio, not vscode. (However, for some reason, I like the code completion in python mode in IDEA more than in vscode. It doesn't feel right, like the IDEA one does.)
- szines 10y ago
  In terms of WebStorm, dont forget to exclude tmp folders and other generated, transpiled content folder to exclude from indexing, otherweise it will be always busy. :)
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    Which by the way is the very first thing that I found as recommendation for how to configure projects for VSCode when I tried it today, and very explicitly: See 'Using the "exclude" property' on https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/jsconfig https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/jsconfig > The exclude attribute tells the language service what files are and are not part of your > source code. This keeps performance at a high level. If IntelliSense is slow, add folders > to your exclude list (VS Code will prompt you to do this if it detects the slow down). I went back to WebStorm though after checking VSCode out. I'm using "static type checking through IDE an JSDoc" instead of TypeScript or Flow, although I'm always evaluating both. This far I keep watching them, WebStorm alerts me to type mismatches based on all the JSDoc and Google Closure compiler type annotations I have for each and every variable, function and parameter. VSCode supports it a lot less well than WebStorm, which if you use TypeScript won't matter that much to you. I'll probably go with Flow at some point, WebStorm is getting support for it right now, it's in the current EAP (early access program). I think those who use TypeScript may probably be the closest to getting what I would get from WebStorm, although the latter also has very good TypeScript support. What I like about WebStorm is that they react pretty quickly to (good) bug reports, I filed about a hundred and 2/3rd of them have been solved quickly, of the remaining various type inference issues for example for destructured variables or parameters still need fixing, but that's because of my JSDoc reliance which I'm not sure many other people use.

tdicola 10y ago

Huh, are you thinking of developing Win32 API apps on OSX?

ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
MVC websites, which you can do with Xamarin as well?

Analemma_ 10y ago

What would full Visual Studio get you that VSC does not? IMO, the main awesomesauce of VS, and its advantages over other IDEs and editors, are 1. The first-in-class debugger 2. Intellisense 3. Really good support for Windows-specific technologies like Win32 and COM VSC has 1 and 2 either now, or on its roadmap. As for 3, why do you want to develop for Windows on a Mac? I guess I don't understand what you need that VSC isn't already giving you, or planning to.

duaneb 10y ago
Refactoring. Does that come with Intellisense? I've found that even 'rename this symbol' is extremely hard to find support for even in static languages.
- Analemma_ 10y ago
  It does, but it requires support from language services so it's language dependent (just because a language has syntax highlighting, it may not necessarily have 'rename symbol' support)
- softawre 10y ago
  VS Code does good renames (across project) in TypeScript, at least. VS still has a ton more features though.
rayiner 10y ago
Not guzzling battery life at idle would be a good start.
to3m 10y ago
I don't appear to be able to put the debugger windows wherever I want in VSCode, let alone create additional ones... so I'd say that VSCode isn't really a substitute :(
tomc1985 10y ago
Visual GUI editor (though that was a bigger deal in the past) First-in-class C# support Refactors Object browser Hit "F1" to get help on that function Search everywhere Templates / Code library MSDN is very thorough (if wordy), lots of examples and documentation * * * I use VSCode at work a bit; it's faster than Atom but not as fast as sublime. It's a decent code editor, I guess if I was full-on JS I'd love it but it's still kinda eh Lots of good progress though; I definitely have my eye on this one

romanovcode 10y ago

I'm working with C# on Mac with this and it works perfectly fine. Debugger and intellisense is good enough to work with. It will never be as advanced as VS but then again, VS will (probably) never come to Mac.

duncanawoods 10y ago
Can you share your instructions for setting it up please? I found it very unconvincing last time I tried - I had weird errors installing .net Core, weird errors setting up tools in VS code and found no definitive instructions. I expected it to work pretty much out of the box... but no.
- sixothree 10y ago
  I installed .Net Core on a brand new Mac following the (seemingly very simple) instructions on Microsoft's web site and had errors too. Not impressed with that aspect at all. Not sure if my fixes were correct or if everything was working correctly so I just abandoned .Net Core on the Mac.
  - romanovcode 10y ago
    Okey guys there has been some additions in what you need to do nowadays because of some problem regarding encryption libraries. What you do on mac is: brew update brew install openssl ln -s /usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/libcrypto.1.0.0.dylib /usr/local/lib/ ln -s /usr/local/opt/openssl/lib/libssl.1.0.0.dylib /usr/local/lib/ Then download the .net core installer for mac and it will work. Also make sure you download the C# extension in VS Code.