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But I'm not trying to 'balance' anything out. Equality means equal regardless of gender. So if one can have "Ask a female athlete", why not "Ask a male athlete

by NTDF9 10y ago

But I'm not trying to 'balance' anything out. Equality means equal regardless of gender. So if one can have "Ask a female athlete", why not "Ask a male athlete". Your example is valid too. This is a genuine question. How would it be unequal for males to start such a forum for anything they want?

reitanqild 10y ago
> This is a genuine question. How would it be unequal for males to start such a forum for anything they want? While I do care a lot I don't identify with the typical "SJW", so I think this should be perfectly OK, only very boring so I wouldn't create it.
- NTDF9 10y ago
  Boring really? As a male who enjoys company of other males (not sexually), I have not found it boring at all. Mixed groups have definitely been socially better but I'd pick male mentoring forums any day. Boring isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of male-spaces. More like brotherhood, mentorship and competition.
  - 1q2w3e4r5t 10y ago
    Then start it. You're missing the point. Some people think that hearing from female engineers would benefit others. I (as a white, male, non-engineer) am one of them. That is the point of /this/. Start whatever group you want.
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    I see. Don't name it that way then. It just annoys people and make it sound like you can only ask questions about being a male engineer which is kind of uneventful it seems. Truth to be told I know there are women that enjoy hanging around in almost all-male groups as well because they find it more relaxed. Possibly wouldn't have believed if one of them hadn't told me though.
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hnbroseph 10y ago
the point of "ask a female engineer" or "ask a male nurse" is that these are "minority groups" in those respective contexts and have distinct life experiences and insights as a result. > So if one can have "Ask a female athlete", why not "Ask a male athlete". you seem stuck on the "can have" bit, which isn't really the point.
- NTDF9 10y ago
  >> you seem stuck on the "can have" bit, which isn't really the point. Ok, so you wouldn't oppose if a man goes and creates a group called, "Ask a brogrammer?" brogrammer = funny slang for male programmers, not meant to offend anyone but to bring male humor to other males
  - hnbroseph 10y ago
    "oppose"? no. though, to me "brogrammer" is a slightly derogatory term meaning a programmer with an "obnoxious frat guy" personality.
    - NTDF9 10y ago
      Understandable. As a non-frat guy, I get what you are saying. Even then, I find the term 'brogrammer' hilarious. I think of it as humor for guys. It's kinda like the series, "Vagina monologues". Many men find it offensive, but it's humorous too right?
  - kaitai 10y ago
    You should do it and I hope it would be hilarious.
chillacy 10y ago
To add some terminology: http://imgur.com/a/hS0yk http://imgur.com/a/hS0yk You're asking for the left picture, others are asking for the right picture. As for how the world would respond... some would laugh, some would get mad. But that would be like if you walked into some poor rural town afflicted by unemployment and held up a sign that said "I make over $100k working a tech job in San Francisco. Every spare bit of change helps." Some would laugh, others would want to punch your face.
- NTDF9 10y ago
  I understand that picture very well. Thanks for bringing it up. I really think equality of opportunity should exist beyond social lines like gender, race, disabilities etc. But equality of outcome? Why? Why should everyone have equal outcome? What is the reward for hard work then? Why be a good person if being a bad one will bring the same outcome? When everyone starts with the same opportunities, the hardworker, smartworker, dedicated, persistent deserves more than the lazy, douchebag, not dedicated, not doing something themselves and always wanting others to do things for them. Don't you agree?
  - chillacy 10y ago
    I agree that equal outcome is undesirable. But if you truly had equal opportunity for something universally desired, let's say higher education, you would expect to see in your freshman class across all colleges a distribution matching the general population in all these factors, like gender/race/disabilities, and I would add wealth too. But when we look at these distributions we see some under represented, and some over represented. That seems to imply that there wasn't equal opportunity, or there's different desirability among the groups (e.g. maybe 90% of very tall people would rather play NBA basketball than go to college).
    - ebfe 10y ago
      >you would expect to see in your freshman class across all colleges a distribution matching the general population in all these factors, like gender/race/disabilities Why would you expect this? The mean IQ of black Americans is a standard deviation below that of Asians. Surely you would expect to see relatively fewer of them.

by NTDF9 10y ago

reitanqild 10y ago

> This is a genuine question. How would it be unequal for males to start such a forum for anything they want? While I do care a lot I don't identify with the typical "SJW", so I think this should be perfectly OK, only very boring so I wouldn't create it.

NTDF9 10y ago
Boring really? As a male who enjoys company of other males (not sexually), I have not found it boring at all. Mixed groups have definitely been socially better but I'd pick male mentoring forums any day. Boring isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of male-spaces. More like brotherhood, mentorship and competition.
- 1q2w3e4r5t 10y ago
  Then start it. You're missing the point. Some people think that hearing from female engineers would benefit others. I (as a white, male, non-engineer) am one of them. That is the point of /this/. Start whatever group you want.
- reitanqild 10y ago
  I see. Don't name it that way then. It just annoys people and make it sound like you can only ask questions about being a male engineer which is kind of uneventful it seems. Truth to be told I know there are women that enjoy hanging around in almost all-male groups as well because they find it more relaxed. Possibly wouldn't have believed if one of them hadn't told me though.
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hnbroseph 10y ago

the point of "ask a female engineer" or "ask a male nurse" is that these are "minority groups" in those respective contexts and have distinct life experiences and insights as a result. > So if one can have "Ask a female athlete", why not "Ask a male athlete". you seem stuck on the "can have" bit, which isn't really the point.

NTDF9 10y ago
>> you seem stuck on the "can have" bit, which isn't really the point. Ok, so you wouldn't oppose if a man goes and creates a group called, "Ask a brogrammer?" brogrammer = funny slang for male programmers, not meant to offend anyone but to bring male humor to other males
- hnbroseph 10y ago
  "oppose"? no. though, to me "brogrammer" is a slightly derogatory term meaning a programmer with an "obnoxious frat guy" personality.
  - NTDF9 10y ago
    Understandable. As a non-frat guy, I get what you are saying. Even then, I find the term 'brogrammer' hilarious. I think of it as humor for guys. It's kinda like the series, "Vagina monologues". Many men find it offensive, but it's humorous too right?
- kaitai 10y ago
  You should do it and I hope it would be hilarious.

chillacy 10y ago

To add some terminology: http://imgur.com/a/hS0yk http://imgur.com/a/hS0yk You're asking for the left picture, others are asking for the right picture. As for how the world would respond... some would laugh, some would get mad. But that would be like if you walked into some poor rural town afflicted by unemployment and held up a sign that said "I make over $100k working a tech job in San Francisco. Every spare bit of change helps." Some would laugh, others would want to punch your face.

NTDF9 10y ago
I understand that picture very well. Thanks for bringing it up. I really think equality of opportunity should exist beyond social lines like gender, race, disabilities etc. But equality of outcome? Why? Why should everyone have equal outcome? What is the reward for hard work then? Why be a good person if being a bad one will bring the same outcome? When everyone starts with the same opportunities, the hardworker, smartworker, dedicated, persistent deserves more than the lazy, douchebag, not dedicated, not doing something themselves and always wanting others to do things for them. Don't you agree?
- chillacy 10y ago
  I agree that equal outcome is undesirable. But if you truly had equal opportunity for something universally desired, let's say higher education, you would expect to see in your freshman class across all colleges a distribution matching the general population in all these factors, like gender/race/disabilities, and I would add wealth too. But when we look at these distributions we see some under represented, and some over represented. That seems to imply that there wasn't equal opportunity, or there's different desirability among the groups (e.g. maybe 90% of very tall people would rather play NBA basketball than go to college).
  - ebfe 10y ago
    >you would expect to see in your freshman class across all colleges a distribution matching the general population in all these factors, like gender/race/disabilities Why would you expect this? The mean IQ of black Americans is a standard deviation below that of Asians. Surely you would expect to see relatively fewer of them.