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... and the medical field, and the law field, and the engineering field. Basically if you want to get premium dollars when trading your skills, you have to hav
by new_hackers 10y ago
... and the medical field, and the law field, and the engineering field. Basically if you want to get premium dollars when trading your skills, you have to have premium skills.
- anexprogrammer 10y agoThose fields tend to evolve rather more organically. You and I know that picking up a new language or framework isn't hard, and getting up to speed in the libs is just a case of some time and google. Recruiters, especially agencies and HR still don't grok this. I rarely had problems if I got past those to the techies or founders.
- angryasian 10y agoAll those other fields value experience very highly. Software engineering is the only field that doesn't care what you've worked on in the past or what you've done. They only care about what trick algorithm that you will never utilize that you can answer on a white board.
- new_hackers 10y agoI think this is most indicative of poor management. The "real" problem is the not the tech providers, but the tech managers. What I've experienced is that many of the tech managers either 1) couldn't hack it to begin with, so they pivoted (this pivot may have been in college, or in the workforce), or 2) haven't stayed relevant themselves.
- drather19 10y agoSeveral of those field mentioned also have fairly high barriers of entry in terms of certification. They try to ensure that folks pursuing those careers have a core level of understanding necessary to pursue work in those fields. Whether or not they're successful in doing that is, of course, a matter of debate (as everything is). I know understanding CS fundamentals and employer expectations about this are a lightning rod here, so I don't want to apply a value judgement on that here. However, what's the equivalent to the board or bar exams in our field (that lets us compare ourselves to those fields)?
- emodendroket 10y agoThat doesn't make sense. If the problem is that we don't have some sort of licensing board, experience should be more highly valued, not less.
- drather19 10y agoI guess where I was going was that there was a fairly high standard to "get in the door" first, after which experience seems to be valued more uniformly (at least more than in software). We don't have the equivalent in software, and we also seem to have a recurring discussion about effective ways to filter people during an interview process. I've certainly had mixed results in my limited sample set when considering past experience to actual performance of hires. Is there a good way to translate the value of someone's experience? EDIT: For that matter, I guess I should wonder how folks translate the value of people in those other fields effectively (or if they do at all).
- emodendroket 10y agoI don't know, but if you don't have other qualifications to go on, surely the fact that they were able to hack it at other companies for a long time is the strongest signal you have.