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Not just Portland, the entire American craft beer scene is infected with shitty, indistinguishable IPA's that all taste like a mountain of hops.

enjo 10y ago
There are definitely a lot of bad IPA's, but that's hardly even a significant part of the American Craft Beer scene these days.
- pfranz 10y ago
  Googling "west coast beer style" has this[0] as the first result. You could argue that this isn't a canonical source or that things have changed since the thread in 2011--but the stigma is still around. [0] https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=6498.0 https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic...
  - Bartweiss 10y ago
    I would argue that the IPA fandom hasn't diminished (especially out west), but other things have arisen alongside it. On the east coast, I see an impressive number of sours and dubbels coming out of craft shops, and the midwest is big on bold, malty offerings like ambers and oatmeal stouts.
    - pfranz 10y ago
      I haven't seen IPAs drop in popularity (I much prefer darker, maltier beers), but I do feel like more recently IPAs have tried to use hops in more interesting ways instead of just going for XIPA/DIPA. I hope if hops stay around this trend continues. I would have thought the hops shortage of 2008 would have forced breweries to try something else, so by now it's probably demand driven. I hear there's a new hops shortage coming up.
      - Bartweiss 10y ago
        Yeah, I don't know that I've seen an actual drop, but there definitely seems to be more development in other areas. Craft beer aisles keep growing, and a good chunk of what gets added isn't IPAs. Still not enough porters and dark ales for my taste, but I'll take what I can get. I'm definitely glad to see the push into more interesting IPAs. I'm seeing more whites, doubles, and other exotic stuff. Plus people finally seem to be learning that 80 IBUs demands some malt and complexity to make something drinkable. (For some reason, the Wyoming/Idaho region is awesome for dark beers. Something practical, or just a regional fascination? Try some Wake Up Call or 3 Picket Porter if you can find 'em.)
donretag 10y ago
I keep on thinking that surely this hops fad will die out soon, but it keeps on increasing. The West coast is especially big on hops. Even lagers from breweries like Lagunitas are extremely hoppy. No thank you. Hops are a cheap and easy way to disguise the taste of bad beer.
- emodendroket 10y ago
  It's insane. I'd honestly rather have a Miller or something than Yet Another IPA.
  - wcummings 10y ago
    I'll drink a miller just to troll the insufferable yuppie dbags that hate that shit
    - emodendroket 10y ago
      Hey, it's the champagne of beers.
unprepare 10y ago
I think its mostly a west coast thing - here in the midwest we get plenty of malty beers!
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  I feel like American beer is bizarrely segmented. The West Coast (from Colorado on, roughly) is still fixated on IPAs and hoppiness. The midwest is full of great ambers and other malty things, and the east has taken to both sours and darker ales like dubbels. The non-coastal west I struggle to characterize, but it's putting out a lot of truly awesome beer, including really dark stuff like porters and imperials that I love.
sjg007 10y ago
I think people are on a quest to make the perfect IPA.. And make money in the process. For me it's IPA or nothing.
Bartweiss 10y ago
Sierra Nevada (which makes some decent beers!) deserves a lot of blame for this nonsense. They've been chasing the dragon more than anyone else, putting out stuff like Hop Hunter which is defined exclusively by how strong they can make it. "Beer with added hop oil"? Really? If brewing with more hops isn't enough, it's probably time to stop adding hops and improve the beer some other way! Cascade hops are a great flavor, I love them, but they need to go together with the other tastes.
nickpsecurity 10y ago
I stopped drinking IPA's for that reason. I wont try one unless it's recommended by somebody I know has taste. Too much wasted cash...

enjo 10y ago

There are definitely a lot of bad IPA's, but that's hardly even a significant part of the American Craft Beer scene these days.

pfranz 10y ago
Googling "west coast beer style" has this[0] as the first result. You could argue that this isn't a canonical source or that things have changed since the thread in 2011--but the stigma is still around. [0] https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=6498.0 https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic...
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  I would argue that the IPA fandom hasn't diminished (especially out west), but other things have arisen alongside it. On the east coast, I see an impressive number of sours and dubbels coming out of craft shops, and the midwest is big on bold, malty offerings like ambers and oatmeal stouts.
  - pfranz 10y ago
    I haven't seen IPAs drop in popularity (I much prefer darker, maltier beers), but I do feel like more recently IPAs have tried to use hops in more interesting ways instead of just going for XIPA/DIPA. I hope if hops stay around this trend continues. I would have thought the hops shortage of 2008 would have forced breweries to try something else, so by now it's probably demand driven. I hear there's a new hops shortage coming up.
    - Bartweiss 10y ago
      Yeah, I don't know that I've seen an actual drop, but there definitely seems to be more development in other areas. Craft beer aisles keep growing, and a good chunk of what gets added isn't IPAs. Still not enough porters and dark ales for my taste, but I'll take what I can get. I'm definitely glad to see the push into more interesting IPAs. I'm seeing more whites, doubles, and other exotic stuff. Plus people finally seem to be learning that 80 IBUs demands some malt and complexity to make something drinkable. (For some reason, the Wyoming/Idaho region is awesome for dark beers. Something practical, or just a regional fascination? Try some Wake Up Call or 3 Picket Porter if you can find 'em.)

donretag 10y ago

I keep on thinking that surely this hops fad will die out soon, but it keeps on increasing. The West coast is especially big on hops. Even lagers from breweries like Lagunitas are extremely hoppy. No thank you. Hops are a cheap and easy way to disguise the taste of bad beer.

emodendroket 10y ago
It's insane. I'd honestly rather have a Miller or something than Yet Another IPA.
- wcummings 10y ago
  I'll drink a miller just to troll the insufferable yuppie dbags that hate that shit
  - emodendroket 10y ago
    Hey, it's the champagne of beers.

unprepare 10y ago

I think its mostly a west coast thing - here in the midwest we get plenty of malty beers!

Bartweiss 10y ago
I feel like American beer is bizarrely segmented. The West Coast (from Colorado on, roughly) is still fixated on IPAs and hoppiness. The midwest is full of great ambers and other malty things, and the east has taken to both sours and darker ales like dubbels. The non-coastal west I struggle to characterize, but it's putting out a lot of truly awesome beer, including really dark stuff like porters and imperials that I love.

sjg007 10y ago

I think people are on a quest to make the perfect IPA.. And make money in the process. For me it's IPA or nothing.

Bartweiss 10y ago

Sierra Nevada (which makes some decent beers!) deserves a lot of blame for this nonsense. They've been chasing the dragon more than anyone else, putting out stuff like Hop Hunter which is defined exclusively by how strong they can make it. "Beer with added hop oil"? Really? If brewing with more hops isn't enough, it's probably time to stop adding hops and improve the beer some other way! Cascade hops are a great flavor, I love them, but they need to go together with the other tastes.

nickpsecurity 10y ago

I stopped drinking IPA's for that reason. I wont try one unless it's recommended by somebody I know has taste. Too much wasted cash...