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If a device has an audio jack with the aim that its owners make use of it, it has to provide audio when "something" is plugged in. It's not able to discern what

by ChoHag 10y ago

If a device has an audio jack with the aim that its owners make use of it, it has to provide audio when "something" is plugged in. It's not able to discern what's there. That is what "just works": not that audio is supplied, but that audio is supplied without the possibility to discern what (merely whether, and that a hack) it is being supplied to. That the software may disable the port when it's empty or just on a whim doesn't make the port "just work" any less.

manicdee 10y ago
The same applies to Lightning-connected DACs. You might believe that there is something special about an internally connected DAC versus an externally connected DAC, but "just works" is not a point of difference. They both need to work in order to achieve their purpose. At some point, sound needs to make it into your ears.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > The same applies to Lightning-connected DACs. You might believe that there is something special about an internally connected DAC versus an externally connected DAC, but "just works" is not a point of difference. They both need to work in order to achieve their purpose Internal DAC has only 1 piece of information: a device has been connected to the jack. A lightning jack has access to way more information: like the manufacturer of the DAC & type of the device (headphone, midi/DAW, car radio, DJ's Mixer, etc) and may opt out of "working" in some instances: e.g. this song should only be played on this headphone whitelist- this is simply not possible to achieve with 3.5mm jacks. Remember the "analogue hole"[1]? Apple just closed it on the iPhone. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole
  - sneak 10y ago
    Your argument would be valid if it didn't ship with a free included "analog hole" dongle.
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      Apple included that only to test the waters and possibly later revoke the "analog hole". If they were really being "courageous" about removing the headphone jack, they would have shipped it without the adapter and not made one available. The people who think that just because they included an adapter, there won't be DRM, need to remember that from now on any service played on an iphone can decide whether or not to enable analog output, or even have a different output over analog. Cue the services that have decided not to work on analog, and paid ad-free audio. You'd have to be very naive to not be worried about this in my opinion. calinet6 wrote a great comment about it in the comments here. It will happen.

by ChoHag 10y ago

manicdee 10y ago

The same applies to Lightning-connected DACs. You might believe that there is something special about an internally connected DAC versus an externally connected DAC, but "just works" is not a point of difference. They both need to work in order to achieve their purpose. At some point, sound needs to make it into your ears.

sangnoir 10y ago
> The same applies to Lightning-connected DACs. You might believe that there is something special about an internally connected DAC versus an externally connected DAC, but "just works" is not a point of difference. They both need to work in order to achieve their purpose Internal DAC has only 1 piece of information: a device has been connected to the jack. A lightning jack has access to way more information: like the manufacturer of the DAC & type of the device (headphone, midi/DAW, car radio, DJ's Mixer, etc) and may opt out of "working" in some instances: e.g. this song should only be played on this headphone whitelist- this is simply not possible to achieve with 3.5mm jacks. Remember the "analogue hole"[1]? Apple just closed it on the iPhone. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole
- sneak 10y ago
  Your argument would be valid if it didn't ship with a free included "analog hole" dongle.
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    Apple included that only to test the waters and possibly later revoke the "analog hole". If they were really being "courageous" about removing the headphone jack, they would have shipped it without the adapter and not made one available. The people who think that just because they included an adapter, there won't be DRM, need to remember that from now on any service played on an iphone can decide whether or not to enable analog output, or even have a different output over analog. Cue the services that have decided not to work on analog, and paid ad-free audio. You'd have to be very naive to not be worried about this in my opinion. calinet6 wrote a great comment about it in the comments here. It will happen.