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I'll agree the courage statement was a bit silly and me laugh when I watched it go down. I for one am totally ok with the headphone jack going away. I have wir

I'll agree the courage statement was a bit silly and me laugh when I watched it go down. I for one am totally ok with the headphone jack going away. I have wireless headphones and I have wired headphones I'll make it work. More often than not the wired headphones become the hassle, whether it's tangled cords or just keeping them out of the way. I'm sure there are plenty of people who use wired headphones every day but there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone. The earpods look great but are a bit steep for me. The way they pair looks great. It's definitely an Apple product, looks nice and is convenient (and perhaps a bit pricey but not ludicrously so). Also the battery life is great (when compared to similar independent wireless earbuds) and that case is an awesome way to charge/not lose them. Apple it obviously trying to go to wireless everything and removing cables. Now they need to make wireless charging happen. If I could set my phone down on my desk and charge it and never again have to plug something in again, that would be great.

pavel_lishin 10y ago
> there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone. Having a useless hole doesn't inconvenience them, but taking it away inconveniences a large swath of people who use it daily.
- repomies691 10y ago
  Well, you can always choose another phone. Except you can't really, because you want Apple. For any other manufacturer there wouldn't be any discussion about the missing plug, people would just laugh it off and choose another phone model.
  - andromeduck 10y ago
    Yeah the Moto Z and LeEco already sold millions without a headpone jack before the this week
    - joekrie 10y ago
      Do Motorola and LeEco plan to omit the headphone jack on all new phones?
  - Shivetya 10y ago
    pretty sure my 6 will last me a lot longer than I originally expected it too
- melling 10y ago
  There's a free adapter in every box. If you keep it plugged into your headphones, how is your day going to be any different?
  - ultramancool 10y ago
    I can no longer charge my phone and listen to audio at the same time. Something I do at my desk every day.
    - tlholaday 10y ago
      Apple Lighting Dock makes your desk look better.
    - joekrie 10y ago
      No worries, Apple's got you covered with AirPods
      - brainfire 10y ago
        Which last 5 hours, and also can't be charged while in use. I guess you could buy two pairs and swap them out...?
        joekrie 10y ago
        Luckily you get a rechargeable charger that lasts up to 24 hours. Furthermore, "you can charge the charger and charge the earphones at the same time". http://www.avclub.com/article/apple-courageously-forgets-put-headphone-jack-new--242282 http://www.avclub.com/article/apple-courageously-forgets-put...
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        brainfire 10y ago
        So? Unless I can wear the case on my head to charge them while I use them it doesn't help.
- rayiner 10y ago
  It takes up space. Is rather see that extra space be used for more battery than to make the phone thinner, but I'd rather have a thinner phone than one with a headphone jack.
  - m1sta_ 10y ago
    If they had given us something we wanted, in return, we might feel different. It's not thinner, it's just missing a headphone jack.
    - mgiannopoulos 10y ago
      They added a second speaker.
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  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    Then, with all respect, my comment was not directed at you.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      The premise of your comment is that removing the headphone jack inconveniences people who use it with no corresponding benefit to anyone else.
- mhomde 10y ago
  I guess they messed up with the new headquarters, should have made it more of a disc
ultramancool 10y ago
> More often than not the wired headphones become the hassle, whether it's tangled cords or just keeping them out of the way. I'm sure there are plenty of people who use wired headphones every day but there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone Nothing wrong with that - chances are you'll use it at one point or another. Most cars and stereo systems still use 3.5mm. Even for people who have Bluetooth in their cars they often prefer the stereo cable as it gives better quality, has no weird pairing issues and doesn't drain their battery. I've ran both wireless and wired headphones and have settled on wired. It's just better, better audio quality, better headphones for a lower price, no waiting for the headphones to initialize, no forgetting to turn them off and finding your battery half dead, no having to charge them every few days. Just plug it in and go. Hopefully this move will put pressure on manufacturers to get costs down on these wireless headphones and get the more off-brand audio manufacturers who often make the best products (quality/dollar wise) interested.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Also no weird BT stack issues which make sound desync with video when you're watching a movie, which is what ultimately made me stop using Bluetooth headphones with a home PC.
- chipgap98 10y ago
  Yeah this really sucks for people in cars (plenty of people still drive cards w/o bluetooth). I just spent hours driving last week using my phone as a source of music (via aux cord) and GPS. If I couldn't have been charging it while doing this it would have died sooooo quickly
  - FilterSweep 10y ago
    My car has bluetooth and its incapable of pairing. We've tried several devices. There's another subset of cars affected by this change.
    - joekrie 10y ago
      Sometimes I have to turn my Honda off and then on again to get it to pair properly.
uxdrEntreprneur 10y ago
You can set your phone down on your desk and charge it without a plugin as fast as they can ship it to you: http://www.air-charge.com/products/wireless-surface-charger http://www.air-charge.com/products/wireless-surface-charger
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Shivetya 10y ago
well I can find more than a few seniors who would not mind seeing everyone wearing something akin to hearing aids. Yet to be honest, part of the appeal of the current corded headphones is that they simply don't fall out and if they do, well they are attached! plus cordless head phones are no where in the same league as using the phone in the car without a head set. finally, why yet another thing I have to charge. I do have a SENA 20s setup for my motorcycle helmet, but even then mic and headphones cannot get lost or dropped. I would love market pressure to force them to revert for the next iphone, I doubt it will, but I think I am keeping the 6 for a long time. worse than having to charge them is the pricing, obscene
cel1ne 10y ago
I think they should have started selling cables with a lightning adapter on one end and a small jack for pluggable buds on the other. Good, sturdy cables with proper amp, microphone and remote control built-in. Headphone producers would provide the analog speaker-part only. Pros for Apple: . sell more hardware . establish their lightning port . better the good-speaker-but-crappy-cable-situation that plagues the headphone market . stop wasting a cable on every new pair of iPhone buds . extend their hardware eco-system centimeter by centimeter
blub 10y ago
Regular wireless headphones are fine, but cordless earphones are a braindead idea because they will get lost. There are some general disadvantages to wireless: most bluetooth headphones, even high-end ones, have lag. It's imperceptible when listening to music, but obvious when playing an instrument in a music app like Garageband or better. Attaching a keyboard or drum pads while listening on headphones is quite a typical use case for iOS musicians.
- themihai 10y ago
  I'm quite surprised that this issue is not stressed enough. We still don't have(avb is still under development) a solution for stereo/multichannel audio via wifi, let alone bluetooth. I understand the jack is old but why do we replace it with an inferior technology? I expected more from Apple not just to trash quality for convenience.
petra 10y ago
Something weird:The Apple marketers are among the best in the world. So they surely know that this would be the response. And still they choose the word "courage". Why ?

pavel_lishin 10y ago

> there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone. Having a useless hole doesn't inconvenience them, but taking it away inconveniences a large swath of people who use it daily.

repomies691 10y ago
Well, you can always choose another phone. Except you can't really, because you want Apple. For any other manufacturer there wouldn't be any discussion about the missing plug, people would just laugh it off and choose another phone model.
- andromeduck 10y ago
  Yeah the Moto Z and LeEco already sold millions without a headpone jack before the this week
  - joekrie 10y ago
    Do Motorola and LeEco plan to omit the headphone jack on all new phones?
- Shivetya 10y ago
  pretty sure my 6 will last me a lot longer than I originally expected it too
melling 10y ago
There's a free adapter in every box. If you keep it plugged into your headphones, how is your day going to be any different?
- ultramancool 10y ago
  I can no longer charge my phone and listen to audio at the same time. Something I do at my desk every day.
  - tlholaday 10y ago
    Apple Lighting Dock makes your desk look better.
  - joekrie 10y ago
    No worries, Apple's got you covered with AirPods
    - brainfire 10y ago
      Which last 5 hours, and also can't be charged while in use. I guess you could buy two pairs and swap them out...?
      - joekrie 10y ago
        Luckily you get a rechargeable charger that lasts up to 24 hours. Furthermore, "you can charge the charger and charge the earphones at the same time". http://www.avclub.com/article/apple-courageously-forgets-put-headphone-jack-new--242282 http://www.avclub.com/article/apple-courageously-forgets-put...
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        brainfire 10y ago
        So? Unless I can wear the case on my head to charge them while I use them it doesn't help.
rayiner 10y ago
It takes up space. Is rather see that extra space be used for more battery than to make the phone thinner, but I'd rather have a thinner phone than one with a headphone jack.
- m1sta_ 10y ago
  If they had given us something we wanted, in return, we might feel different. It's not thinner, it's just missing a headphone jack.
  - mgiannopoulos 10y ago
    They added a second speaker.
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- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  Then, with all respect, my comment was not directed at you.
  - rayiner 10y ago
    The premise of your comment is that removing the headphone jack inconveniences people who use it with no corresponding benefit to anyone else.
mhomde 10y ago
I guess they messed up with the new headquarters, should have made it more of a disc

ultramancool 10y ago

> More often than not the wired headphones become the hassle, whether it's tangled cords or just keeping them out of the way. I'm sure there are plenty of people who use wired headphones every day but there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone Nothing wrong with that - chances are you'll use it at one point or another. Most cars and stereo systems still use 3.5mm. Even for people who have Bluetooth in their cars they often prefer the stereo cable as it gives better quality, has no weird pairing issues and doesn't drain their battery. I've ran both wireless and wired headphones and have settled on wired. It's just better, better audio quality, better headphones for a lower price, no waiting for the headphones to initialize, no forgetting to turn them off and finding your battery half dead, no having to charge them every few days. Just plug it in and go. Hopefully this move will put pressure on manufacturers to get costs down on these wireless headphones and get the more off-brand audio manufacturers who often make the best products (quality/dollar wise) interested.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
Also no weird BT stack issues which make sound desync with video when you're watching a movie, which is what ultimately made me stop using Bluetooth headphones with a home PC.
chipgap98 10y ago
Yeah this really sucks for people in cars (plenty of people still drive cards w/o bluetooth). I just spent hours driving last week using my phone as a source of music (via aux cord) and GPS. If I couldn't have been charging it while doing this it would have died sooooo quickly
- FilterSweep 10y ago
  My car has bluetooth and its incapable of pairing. We've tried several devices. There's another subset of cars affected by this change.
  - joekrie 10y ago
    Sometimes I have to turn my Honda off and then on again to get it to pair properly.

uxdrEntreprneur 10y ago

You can set your phone down on your desk and charge it without a plugin as fast as they can ship it to you: http://www.air-charge.com/products/wireless-surface-charger http://www.air-charge.com/products/wireless-surface-charger

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Shivetya 10y ago

well I can find more than a few seniors who would not mind seeing everyone wearing something akin to hearing aids. Yet to be honest, part of the appeal of the current corded headphones is that they simply don't fall out and if they do, well they are attached! plus cordless head phones are no where in the same league as using the phone in the car without a head set. finally, why yet another thing I have to charge. I do have a SENA 20s setup for my motorcycle helmet, but even then mic and headphones cannot get lost or dropped. I would love market pressure to force them to revert for the next iphone, I doubt it will, but I think I am keeping the 6 for a long time. worse than having to charge them is the pricing, obscene

cel1ne 10y ago

I think they should have started selling cables with a lightning adapter on one end and a small jack for pluggable buds on the other. Good, sturdy cables with proper amp, microphone and remote control built-in. Headphone producers would provide the analog speaker-part only. Pros for Apple: . sell more hardware . establish their lightning port . better the good-speaker-but-crappy-cable-situation that plagues the headphone market . stop wasting a cable on every new pair of iPhone buds . extend their hardware eco-system centimeter by centimeter

blub 10y ago

Regular wireless headphones are fine, but cordless earphones are a braindead idea because they will get lost. There are some general disadvantages to wireless: most bluetooth headphones, even high-end ones, have lag. It's imperceptible when listening to music, but obvious when playing an instrument in a music app like Garageband or better. Attaching a keyboard or drum pads while listening on headphones is quite a typical use case for iOS musicians.

themihai 10y ago
I'm quite surprised that this issue is not stressed enough. We still don't have(avb is still under development) a solution for stereo/multichannel audio via wifi, let alone bluetooth. I understand the jack is old but why do we replace it with an inferior technology? I expected more from Apple not just to trash quality for convenience.

petra 10y ago

Something weird:The Apple marketers are among the best in the world. So they surely know that this would be the response. And still they choose the word "courage". Why ?