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I didn't have a lot of toxins stored in my fat cells, as I was reasonably healthy prior to the fast. Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter thei

I didn't have a lot of toxins stored in my fat cells, as I was reasonably healthy prior to the fast. Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter their bloodstream when their body breaks down adipose for fuel. They tend to be better served by starting with a juice fast, then building up to a full on water fast. It's easy to tell if you're among them, as you'll have severe "detox" symptoms a day or two into the fast. The proper reaction to such an experience is to wind the fast down, or transition to a juice fast (all things you should read about and be aware of before you begin).

adwn 10y ago
> Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter their bloodstream when their body breaks down adipose for fuel. [...] you'll have severe "detox" symptoms a day or two into the fast. Your body doesn't work that way. "Detoxing diets" are pure superstition – which toxins are those supposed to be anyway? From [1]: "The 'toxins' usually remain undefined, with little to no evidence of toxic accumulation in the patient." This fits your claims perfectly... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_medicine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...
- gtirloni 10y ago
  "Toxicological Function of Adipose Tissue: Focus on Persistent Organic Pollutants" http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/121/2/ehp.1205485.pdf http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/121/2/ehp.120548... "The studies discussed here indicate that AT (Adipose tissue) plays a central role in POP (persistent organic pollutants) toxicology. This role is complex and may seem paradoxical. Indeed, there is evidence that AT is protective under conditions of acute or subacute exposure to POPs. Storage in the lipid droplets has a buffering effect and prevents the persistence of high blood levels of these POPs and also prevents high POP exposure of other more sensitive lipophilic tissues such as the brain."
  - calebm 10y ago
    It is very annoying when people dismiss anything sounding vaguely like "alternative therapy" out of fear of quackery. I remember reading a comment on Reddit where someone denied there the body ever contains any toxins... apparently they were not familiar that the liver and kidneys have a purpose.
    - adwn 10y ago
      Nobody (well, nearly nobody) denies that the body contains toxic substances. The disputed claim is that various fasting methods will remove those toxins, for which there is no evidence (in typical "alternative therapy" fashion). Of course, this doesn't mean that fasting can't have other health benefits. Want to help your body shed toxins? Drink some water, and your kidneys will get rid of them. The view that fasting will flush them out of your system appears to be wrong, though.
      - gtirloni 10y ago
        Do you have any evidence that drinking more water alone without weight loss will remove the toxins from the adipose tissue that have accumulated over the years? I'm interested in learning how that works in more detail.
        adwn 10y ago
        I didn't say anything about toxins in adipose tissue.
      - baccheion 10y ago
        I didn't even go into this. When the body is in the fasted state, it begins burning up whatever it can find (in priority order-- oldest/crappiest tissues first) to fuel its processes. This includes adipose tissue. In the process of breaking down this fat, stored/trapped toxins may end up released into the bloodstream. Is this something that can be spun around to the point that it can be claimed water fasting results in detox? I don't know, but I suppose there is all around healing and rejuvenation during this time. It's also good to give the body a rest from constant digestion, so it can see to other things, and as cravings are reset during the fast, it's an easy transition (afterward) to whatever diet you actually want to follow. There are many things that detox the body (liposomal vitamin C (liposomal mainly due to the high dosages needed), liposomal glutathione, ashitaba, chlorophyll, Centrophenoxine, magnesium oil spray or magnesium lotion, mercury chelators like spirulina (unless you have amalgam fillings), etc).

adwn 10y ago

> Some people have a lot of "bad stuff" which will enter their bloodstream when their body breaks down adipose for fuel. [...] you'll have severe "detox" symptoms a day or two into the fast. Your body doesn't work that way. "Detoxing diets" are pure superstition – which toxins are those supposed to be anyway? From [1]: "The 'toxins' usually remain undefined, with little to no evidence of toxic accumulation in the patient." This fits your claims perfectly... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_medicine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...

gtirloni 10y ago
"Toxicological Function of Adipose Tissue: Focus on Persistent Organic Pollutants" http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/121/2/ehp.1205485.pdf http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/121/2/ehp.120548... "The studies discussed here indicate that AT (Adipose tissue) plays a central role in POP (persistent organic pollutants) toxicology. This role is complex and may seem paradoxical. Indeed, there is evidence that AT is protective under conditions of acute or subacute exposure to POPs. Storage in the lipid droplets has a buffering effect and prevents the persistence of high blood levels of these POPs and also prevents high POP exposure of other more sensitive lipophilic tissues such as the brain."
- calebm 10y ago
  It is very annoying when people dismiss anything sounding vaguely like "alternative therapy" out of fear of quackery. I remember reading a comment on Reddit where someone denied there the body ever contains any toxins... apparently they were not familiar that the liver and kidneys have a purpose.
  - adwn 10y ago
    Nobody (well, nearly nobody) denies that the body contains toxic substances. The disputed claim is that various fasting methods will remove those toxins, for which there is no evidence (in typical "alternative therapy" fashion). Of course, this doesn't mean that fasting can't have other health benefits. Want to help your body shed toxins? Drink some water, and your kidneys will get rid of them. The view that fasting will flush them out of your system appears to be wrong, though.
    - gtirloni 10y ago
      Do you have any evidence that drinking more water alone without weight loss will remove the toxins from the adipose tissue that have accumulated over the years? I'm interested in learning how that works in more detail.
      - adwn 10y ago
        I didn't say anything about toxins in adipose tissue.
    - baccheion 10y ago
      I didn't even go into this. When the body is in the fasted state, it begins burning up whatever it can find (in priority order-- oldest/crappiest tissues first) to fuel its processes. This includes adipose tissue. In the process of breaking down this fat, stored/trapped toxins may end up released into the bloodstream. Is this something that can be spun around to the point that it can be claimed water fasting results in detox? I don't know, but I suppose there is all around healing and rejuvenation during this time. It's also good to give the body a rest from constant digestion, so it can see to other things, and as cravings are reset during the fast, it's an easy transition (afterward) to whatever diet you actually want to follow. There are many things that detox the body (liposomal vitamin C (liposomal mainly due to the high dosages needed), liposomal glutathione, ashitaba, chlorophyll, Centrophenoxine, magnesium oil spray or magnesium lotion, mercury chelators like spirulina (unless you have amalgam fillings), etc).