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taking a quick look at the issue the website says PycURL is a Python interface to libcurl. and that would mean that we need libcurl installed. I am sure this

taking a quick look at the issue the website says PycURL is a Python interface to libcurl. and that would mean that we need libcurl installed. I am sure this is true with any other language as well, since this is a linker library, if that's a word. also, surprisingly the website didn't mention that you need to install the libcurl4-openssl-dev :-) so something is broken on this package. Again, this is a package issue and not the issue of the language. We can find such examples in all languages. Doesn't mean Python's package system is broken or the language is broken. I am waiting when the author will start teaching Go! just to read his "Problems everyone faces learning Go".

nl 10y ago
PycURL is a Python interface to libcurl. and that would mean that we need libcurl installed. I am sure this is true with any other language as well, since this is a linker library, if that's a word. But this is just an example of the type of thing that is typical in Python using pip. Anaconda is a bit better (see [1] for the details) but it is a real problem. It isn't uncommon to resort to Docker to work around this. Pretending this isn't a problem for beginners (and even comparatively advanced users) isn't helpful. [1] https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/python-packages-and-environments-conda https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/python-packages...
- thewhitetulip 10y ago
  I am curious, how do these libraries work for other languages, for instance Java interface to curl, how do they work around that fact? This can be put forward as a PEP, I am not undermining the issue.
  - nl 10y ago
    I am curious, how do these libraries work for other languages, for instance Java interface to curl, how do they work around that fact? They typically ship a private precompiled library and link to without using the system LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or whatever). Anaconda gets this mostly right - they ship precompiled libraries, but I'm not sure what the do with the linking situation. This can be put forward as a PEP, I am not undermining the issue. That isn't the most useful response for a beginner programmer.
    - thewhitetulip 10y ago
      exactly how many such precompiled libs do other languages ship? pycurl etc.is not a part of stdlib, python or pip is not broken, this package's install mech could be broken >That isn't the most useful response for a beginner programmer. it was not for them, it was for those who are willing for a change and think this is a legitimate problem, jmdownvoting me win't make me shut up or solve the problem! we can ask for a PEP since python is an Open Source project, noy sure if the author of this post tried that approach

nl 10y ago

PycURL is a Python interface to libcurl. and that would mean that we need libcurl installed. I am sure this is true with any other language as well, since this is a linker library, if that's a word. But this is just an example of the type of thing that is typical in Python using pip. Anaconda is a bit better (see [1] for the details) but it is a real problem. It isn't uncommon to resort to Docker to work around this. Pretending this isn't a problem for beginners (and even comparatively advanced users) isn't helpful. [1] https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/python-packages-and-environments-conda https://www.continuum.io/blog/developer-blog/python-packages...

thewhitetulip 10y ago
I am curious, how do these libraries work for other languages, for instance Java interface to curl, how do they work around that fact? This can be put forward as a PEP, I am not undermining the issue.
- nl 10y ago
  I am curious, how do these libraries work for other languages, for instance Java interface to curl, how do they work around that fact? They typically ship a private precompiled library and link to without using the system LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or whatever). Anaconda gets this mostly right - they ship precompiled libraries, but I'm not sure what the do with the linking situation. This can be put forward as a PEP, I am not undermining the issue. That isn't the most useful response for a beginner programmer.
  - thewhitetulip 10y ago
    exactly how many such precompiled libs do other languages ship? pycurl etc.is not a part of stdlib, python or pip is not broken, this package's install mech could be broken >That isn't the most useful response for a beginner programmer. it was not for them, it was for those who are willing for a change and think this is a legitimate problem, jmdownvoting me win't make me shut up or solve the problem! we can ask for a PEP since python is an Open Source project, noy sure if the author of this post tried that approach