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Franchise fatigue is very real IMO, and it's all the more evident with the recent trend of annual franchises in video games. I wonder if Star Wars will suffer

by oxide 10y ago

Franchise fatigue is very real IMO, and it's all the more evident with the recent trend of annual franchises in video games. I wonder if Star Wars will suffer the same fate at the box office eventually.

gkanai 10y ago
I think the Marvel franchise is quite fatigued atm...
- philliphaydon 10y ago
  I disagree. The problem with marvel is we know what to expect, it's really hard to outdo any previous movie they release and it feels they are going down hill, but I often wonder if you swapped the releases of some movies would the same still hold true that the sequel isn't as good as the first or would the sequel be better than the first.
  - DougN7 10y ago
    > it's really hard to outdo any previous movie they release This is exactly it. Each epic battle scene is so over the top it's almost impossible to come up with something even more epic and over the top. Too bad they don't realize a good story doesn't need that. I thought the older James Bond movies had it figured out.
    - toyg 10y ago
      You're being unfair there, Marvel Studios movies have pretty decent stories and a lot of comedic value even disregarding all the action. There is a reason they never get panned like a lot of the DC ones.
    - kbenson 10y ago
      They occasionally deliver. The second Captain America movie was a fairly good spy thriller, IMO.
      - deleted 10y ago
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    - talmand 10y ago
      But each movie in the MCU doesn't necessarily have an epic fight that tries to outdo the previous movie's epic fight.
- majani 10y ago
  Comic book movies in general are fast reaching the breaking point, at least with reviewers. But I'm sure the studios are well aware of this and will maximise for as long as their moment lasts
  - serge2k 10y ago
    > at least with reviewers Because that's how big budget blockbuster films successes are judged. Reviewers.
    - joemi 10y ago
      Just in case you're not simply being facetious: whether movies are well-reviewed or not definitely influences their success.
      - serge2k 10y ago
        > Just in case you're not simply being facetious Of course. I generally don't bother to indicate when I am. I just don't like explained jokes. Of course I do try not to be subtle about it. :)
- Pxtl 10y ago
  I tend to think franchise fatigue is less of a concern with movies because movies are short-enough in length that you don't feel like you just finished (or haven't finished) the predecessor when the sequel comes out. I'd worry more about the Marvel TV products than the movies, or if the movies fail as stand-alones (like Ultron).
  - vidarh 10y ago
    > or if the movies fail as stand-alones (like Ultron). Ultron was the seventh highest grossing film in history ($1.4b gross; budget of $316 million) and the second highest grossing Marvel movie (after The Avengers). I'd love a failure like that.
    - Pxtl 10y ago
      I'm not saying it failed as a movie, but that it failed as a stand-alone movie. Imho, that's the kind of thing that would cause fatigue - too many interconnected pictures coming out that are too tangled together so viewers have no idea what they're watching unless they've perfectly kept up.
      - vidarh 10y ago
        Ah, that makes more sense. I don't think that's an issue unless there are no "jumping on points", and if there's one thing Marvel is good at, it's creating artificial new starting points... And there's lots of jumping on points coming up, with Dr Strange, Spider-Man Homecoming, Black Panther and Captain Marvel having mostly characters new to MCU and seemingly being relatively disconnected. Thor: Ragnarok might qualify as well depending on how they do it. Ant-Man and The Wasp might too - there's not much of the back story you need to catch up on. Marvel has a large enough stable of characters to keep on churning out new standalone movies for a very long time. Though they'll need to start dipping into less well known characters, their ensemble movies and TV series will presumably let them test characters.. Then give the top performers sequels... If they manage to get back control over e.g. X-Men and Fantastic Four too, they'll have characters to draw on for the next couple of decades at current rates... At which point they can start all over.
- bpicolo 10y ago
  To be honest, I still love going to superhero movies every 4-6 months. I an always count on good action and good characters, even if it may not be as good as previous movies. I don't necessarily think that's too little time between releases, as an avid movie goer.
robmcm 10y ago
What about franchise dilution? I'm not sure what a Call of Duty game means any more, other than it's going to be a FPS. They have had different teams work on the games, there aren't any common characters, time periods vary etc etc.
taneq 10y ago
Eventually? We were all thoroughly sick of it after the original trilogy was released umpteen times, let alone now after after the 62 home video and box set releases to date: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_home_video_releases http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_home_video_releases
- kbenson 10y ago
  I think that was something different than franchise fatigue, as those were cases of a very slight variation of the same thing being released over and over. I think franchise fatigue is more about new stuff being released in the same setting and people being tired of the setting. People were still very excited about Episode 1 when it came out (not so much after), so I think that points to it being less of a franchise fatigue problem than an overexposure of a few movies (at that time, at least).
rsync 10y ago
"I wonder if Star Wars will suffer the same fate at the box office eventually." Star Wars has transcended "franchise" and become a tax. There is a star wars tax that we all have to pay and that tax rate graduates as you have children. Death and star wars. They're inescapable.
- busterarm 10y ago
  I recognized this and escaped a long time ago. ...in a galaxy far, far away. :D

by oxide 10y ago

gkanai 10y ago

I think the Marvel franchise is quite fatigued atm...

philliphaydon 10y ago
I disagree. The problem with marvel is we know what to expect, it's really hard to outdo any previous movie they release and it feels they are going down hill, but I often wonder if you swapped the releases of some movies would the same still hold true that the sequel isn't as good as the first or would the sequel be better than the first.
- DougN7 10y ago
  > it's really hard to outdo any previous movie they release This is exactly it. Each epic battle scene is so over the top it's almost impossible to come up with something even more epic and over the top. Too bad they don't realize a good story doesn't need that. I thought the older James Bond movies had it figured out.
  - toyg 10y ago
    You're being unfair there, Marvel Studios movies have pretty decent stories and a lot of comedic value even disregarding all the action. There is a reason they never get panned like a lot of the DC ones.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    They occasionally deliver. The second Captain America movie was a fairly good spy thriller, IMO.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
  - talmand 10y ago
    But each movie in the MCU doesn't necessarily have an epic fight that tries to outdo the previous movie's epic fight.
majani 10y ago
Comic book movies in general are fast reaching the breaking point, at least with reviewers. But I'm sure the studios are well aware of this and will maximise for as long as their moment lasts
- serge2k 10y ago
  > at least with reviewers Because that's how big budget blockbuster films successes are judged. Reviewers.
  - joemi 10y ago
    Just in case you're not simply being facetious: whether movies are well-reviewed or not definitely influences their success.
    - serge2k 10y ago
      > Just in case you're not simply being facetious Of course. I generally don't bother to indicate when I am. I just don't like explained jokes. Of course I do try not to be subtle about it. :)
Pxtl 10y ago
I tend to think franchise fatigue is less of a concern with movies because movies are short-enough in length that you don't feel like you just finished (or haven't finished) the predecessor when the sequel comes out. I'd worry more about the Marvel TV products than the movies, or if the movies fail as stand-alones (like Ultron).
- vidarh 10y ago
  > or if the movies fail as stand-alones (like Ultron). Ultron was the seventh highest grossing film in history ($1.4b gross; budget of $316 million) and the second highest grossing Marvel movie (after The Avengers). I'd love a failure like that.
  - Pxtl 10y ago
    I'm not saying it failed as a movie, but that it failed as a stand-alone movie. Imho, that's the kind of thing that would cause fatigue - too many interconnected pictures coming out that are too tangled together so viewers have no idea what they're watching unless they've perfectly kept up.
    - vidarh 10y ago
      Ah, that makes more sense. I don't think that's an issue unless there are no "jumping on points", and if there's one thing Marvel is good at, it's creating artificial new starting points... And there's lots of jumping on points coming up, with Dr Strange, Spider-Man Homecoming, Black Panther and Captain Marvel having mostly characters new to MCU and seemingly being relatively disconnected. Thor: Ragnarok might qualify as well depending on how they do it. Ant-Man and The Wasp might too - there's not much of the back story you need to catch up on. Marvel has a large enough stable of characters to keep on churning out new standalone movies for a very long time. Though they'll need to start dipping into less well known characters, their ensemble movies and TV series will presumably let them test characters.. Then give the top performers sequels... If they manage to get back control over e.g. X-Men and Fantastic Four too, they'll have characters to draw on for the next couple of decades at current rates... At which point they can start all over.
bpicolo 10y ago
To be honest, I still love going to superhero movies every 4-6 months. I an always count on good action and good characters, even if it may not be as good as previous movies. I don't necessarily think that's too little time between releases, as an avid movie goer.

robmcm 10y ago

What about franchise dilution? I'm not sure what a Call of Duty game means any more, other than it's going to be a FPS. They have had different teams work on the games, there aren't any common characters, time periods vary etc etc.

taneq 10y ago

Eventually? We were all thoroughly sick of it after the original trilogy was released umpteen times, let alone now after after the 62 home video and box set releases to date: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_home_video_releases http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_home_video_releases

kbenson 10y ago
I think that was something different than franchise fatigue, as those were cases of a very slight variation of the same thing being released over and over. I think franchise fatigue is more about new stuff being released in the same setting and people being tired of the setting. People were still very excited about Episode 1 when it came out (not so much after), so I think that points to it being less of a franchise fatigue problem than an overexposure of a few movies (at that time, at least).

rsync 10y ago

"I wonder if Star Wars will suffer the same fate at the box office eventually." Star Wars has transcended "franchise" and become a tax. There is a star wars tax that we all have to pay and that tax rate graduates as you have children. Death and star wars. They're inescapable.

busterarm 10y ago
I recognized this and escaped a long time ago. ...in a galaxy far, far away. :D