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Maybe because 16 of the 19 top Apple executives are white men. (Women lead retail, HR, and public policy.) http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/p

Maybe because 16 of the 19 top Apple executives are white men. (Women lead retail, HR, and public policy.) http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ Aren't there sufficiently talented women -- and also people of Hispanic and Asian ancestry -- who could serve as leaders and role models at Apple?

DasIch 10y ago
Well, what do you propose? Firing the executives and replacing them with women just to boost diversity?
- helloworld 10y ago
  Tim Cook has been the CEO of Apple for five years. Based on the executive team he has in place, it would appear that diversity hasn't been a priority for him.
  - DasIch 10y ago
    Nobody just replaces people on the executive team, they leave, retire or fuck up and are let go. Tim Cook himself has been on the executive team for a long time and a lot of the others also have been on the team for a long time. Improving diversity requires changes in hiring, promotion and culture. It will take time for the number of employees who are part of underrepresented minorities to rise and for them to rise in rank until they eventually become part of the generation that replaces the generation that currently fills the executive team. I'm a feminist, I like Apple and I want it to become a more diverse company because I think that's good for society and I think it would allow Apple to make better products and push the industry even more to innovate. I do think Apple is trying, I don't think they're doing quite as well as they could. It's perfectly fine and necessary to criticize, to push them but there is no magic button that Tim Cook can push and make everything instantly better. No matter how much you may want to, stopping decades of discrimination takes time and undoing the damage it caused takes longer still. It sucks and it's not fair but I understand that people are angry about it but it's not fair to blame Tim Cook for it. And quite frankly, if you believe that a gay man from Alabama doesn't care about discrimination and wouldn't push that magic button if it existed, I'm not sure there is anyone capable of satisfying your expectations.
    - iamdave 10y ago
      I almost came along with a quip very similar to your closing sentence; and I'm glad someone said it after that comment sitting there uncontested for two hours. This thing going on where one just looks at %person%, acknowledges that they are (A) old (B) white (c) male or (D) all of the above and basing all value judgments on those variables regardless of other externalities or facts like what their sexual orientation might be and how it could possibly inform endeavors of intersectionality and diversity within a corporation that we simply aren't privy to as consumers BECAUSE of said variables seems to me like flipping the script on discrimination and bias and overcorrecting hard, right into the side of a building, and what's more it seems destructively infantile.
  - romanovcode 10y ago
    Trust me, diversity is not priority for everyone. It's just being done to not get labeled as "bad guy".
venomsnake 10y ago
The lack of discrimination lawsuits towards apple means that they are probably fair in their promotions. And with the cash apple is having - there would be at least a couple of big settlements if there was discrimination at play.
rarepostinlurkr 10y ago
No, it's because it's not even decent journalism. Apple had multiple presenters at WWDC Keynote that happened to also be female. They also had some of the same set on stage the prior year.
- baldfat 10y ago
  WWDC is not a Apple Release Presentation. So not poor journalism.

DasIch 10y ago

Well, what do you propose? Firing the executives and replacing them with women just to boost diversity?

helloworld 10y ago
Tim Cook has been the CEO of Apple for five years. Based on the executive team he has in place, it would appear that diversity hasn't been a priority for him.
- DasIch 10y ago
  Nobody just replaces people on the executive team, they leave, retire or fuck up and are let go. Tim Cook himself has been on the executive team for a long time and a lot of the others also have been on the team for a long time. Improving diversity requires changes in hiring, promotion and culture. It will take time for the number of employees who are part of underrepresented minorities to rise and for them to rise in rank until they eventually become part of the generation that replaces the generation that currently fills the executive team. I'm a feminist, I like Apple and I want it to become a more diverse company because I think that's good for society and I think it would allow Apple to make better products and push the industry even more to innovate. I do think Apple is trying, I don't think they're doing quite as well as they could. It's perfectly fine and necessary to criticize, to push them but there is no magic button that Tim Cook can push and make everything instantly better. No matter how much you may want to, stopping decades of discrimination takes time and undoing the damage it caused takes longer still. It sucks and it's not fair but I understand that people are angry about it but it's not fair to blame Tim Cook for it. And quite frankly, if you believe that a gay man from Alabama doesn't care about discrimination and wouldn't push that magic button if it existed, I'm not sure there is anyone capable of satisfying your expectations.
  - iamdave 10y ago
    I almost came along with a quip very similar to your closing sentence; and I'm glad someone said it after that comment sitting there uncontested for two hours. This thing going on where one just looks at %person%, acknowledges that they are (A) old (B) white (c) male or (D) all of the above and basing all value judgments on those variables regardless of other externalities or facts like what their sexual orientation might be and how it could possibly inform endeavors of intersectionality and diversity within a corporation that we simply aren't privy to as consumers BECAUSE of said variables seems to me like flipping the script on discrimination and bias and overcorrecting hard, right into the side of a building, and what's more it seems destructively infantile.
- romanovcode 10y ago
  Trust me, diversity is not priority for everyone. It's just being done to not get labeled as "bad guy".

venomsnake 10y ago

The lack of discrimination lawsuits towards apple means that they are probably fair in their promotions. And with the cash apple is having - there would be at least a couple of big settlements if there was discrimination at play.

rarepostinlurkr 10y ago

No, it's because it's not even decent journalism. Apple had multiple presenters at WWDC Keynote that happened to also be female. They also had some of the same set on stage the prior year.

baldfat 10y ago
WWDC is not a Apple Release Presentation. So not poor journalism.