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Why would they include a 3.5 mm adapter then?

by vhost- 10y ago

strictnein 10y ago
As a stop gap. Also, it's not clear whether or not the included headphones are 3.5mm or lightning, so they might simply have to include one.
- jakobegger 10y ago
  In the keynote they said the included headphones are lightning.
- mcphage 10y ago
  The included headphones are Lightning.
- deleted 10y ago
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- cm2187 10y ago
  I won't even touch a USB ethernet dongle for laptops, let alone a dongle for my iphone. The headphone connector is already pressed close to breaking point in my pocket, I can't have something even bigger sticking out of the phone in a tight pocket.
  - heartbreak 10y ago
    > in a tight pocket Doesn't sound like an Apple problem to me.
    - jethro_tell 10y ago
      Yeah, just hold it different.
    - throwanem 10y ago
      I don't know. It seems reasonable to imagine the drainpipe jeans crowd has a pretty solid overlap with Apple's customer base.
    - ariabuckles 10y ago
      It is very hard to find non-tight pockets on women's clothing, if you're lucky enough to find pockets at all.
    - cm2187 10y ago
      Should be pretty much the case of anyone sitting with an iphone in his/her trouser pocket. Unless you wear rapper baggy pants!
  - comex 10y ago
    You could always use wireless headphones instead - Apple's or someone else's.
  - eridius 10y ago
    So use wireless headphones, or get a pair of lightning headphones. It's not really clear to me what the issue is, though, since the dongle can just be treated as an extension to the headphone cable. If anything, it should be harder to break, because the headphone jack part is on a flexible cable, and the part that's attached to the phone is the fairly durable Lightning connector (whereas 3.5mm male connectors are often somewhat flimsy).
    - cm2187 10y ago
      Except that it is a non flexible extension that sticks out, in addition of the jack itself which already sticks out. I won't go wireless. The last thing I want is another battery to manage, and I do care about music quality. I always saw the iphone as an ipod with internet. I stashed a spare iphone 6s so I don't need to change my habits for another 1-3 years. Then I guess I will have to learn how to use my phone again by switching to Android. I'd be curious if the 6s starts trading at a premium to the 7. That was the case of the Galaxy Tab 1 at one point, bigger screen, better battery, looks like people preferred it to the Galaxy Tab 2.
      - eridius 10y ago
        A headphone male connector is already a non-flexible thing that sticks out. I don't see how the lightning adaptor is any different in that regard. It's a bit of non-flexible stuff that sticks out, attached to a flexible cable. The biggest difference is the cable then has another short non-flexible bit in it, but nobody complained about having short non-flexible portions of cable when headphones started including volume controls on the cable (it's just on a different part of the cable). > I do care about music quality It seems that AirPods aren't bluetooth but are instead something else. I'd expect the audio quality to be better than bluetooth. But I guess we have to wait until people have actually tried them out to determine how good it is. > Then I guess I will have to learn how to use my phone again by switching to Android. I do not believe for a second that you're going to actually change platforms simply to have an audio jack without a dongle. I bet in 1–3 years you're going to realize that there's a plethora of lightning headphones to choose from, along with an adaptor that lets you use headphones and charge simultaneously, and you'll stop thinking about this change as a problem.
- eridius 10y ago
  The included EarPods are lightning. Specifically, it's http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMTN2AM/A/earpods-with-lightning-connector http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMTN2AM/A/earpods-with-lig...
- newman314 10y ago
  It appears that the included headphones are Lightning from what I could see of the video.
slg 10y ago
Apple of all companies knows that a dongle isn't a viable long term solution for a problem like that. They included it to ease the transition, not as a replacement.
jayd16 10y ago
To help quell the shit storm that would happen if they didn't include it.
- scottmf 10y ago
  Ah so what you're saying is they do some things for profit, and other things for PR reasons. Interesting.

Why would they include a 3.5 mm adapter then?

by vhost- 10y ago

Why would they include a 3.5 mm adapter then?

As a stop gap. Also, it's not clear whether or not the included headphones are 3.5mm or lightning, so they might simply have to include one.

jakobegger 10y ago
In the keynote they said the included headphones are lightning.
mcphage 10y ago
The included headphones are Lightning.
deleted 10y ago
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cm2187 10y ago
I won't even touch a USB ethernet dongle for laptops, let alone a dongle for my iphone. The headphone connector is already pressed close to breaking point in my pocket, I can't have something even bigger sticking out of the phone in a tight pocket.
- heartbreak 10y ago
  > in a tight pocket Doesn't sound like an Apple problem to me.
  - jethro_tell 10y ago
    Yeah, just hold it different.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    I don't know. It seems reasonable to imagine the drainpipe jeans crowd has a pretty solid overlap with Apple's customer base.
  - ariabuckles 10y ago
    It is very hard to find non-tight pockets on women's clothing, if you're lucky enough to find pockets at all.
  - cm2187 10y ago
    Should be pretty much the case of anyone sitting with an iphone in his/her trouser pocket. Unless you wear rapper baggy pants!
- comex 10y ago
  You could always use wireless headphones instead - Apple's or someone else's.
- eridius 10y ago
  So use wireless headphones, or get a pair of lightning headphones. It's not really clear to me what the issue is, though, since the dongle can just be treated as an extension to the headphone cable. If anything, it should be harder to break, because the headphone jack part is on a flexible cable, and the part that's attached to the phone is the fairly durable Lightning connector (whereas 3.5mm male connectors are often somewhat flimsy).
  - cm2187 10y ago
    Except that it is a non flexible extension that sticks out, in addition of the jack itself which already sticks out. I won't go wireless. The last thing I want is another battery to manage, and I do care about music quality. I always saw the iphone as an ipod with internet. I stashed a spare iphone 6s so I don't need to change my habits for another 1-3 years. Then I guess I will have to learn how to use my phone again by switching to Android. I'd be curious if the 6s starts trading at a premium to the 7. That was the case of the Galaxy Tab 1 at one point, bigger screen, better battery, looks like people preferred it to the Galaxy Tab 2.
    - eridius 10y ago
      A headphone male connector is already a non-flexible thing that sticks out. I don't see how the lightning adaptor is any different in that regard. It's a bit of non-flexible stuff that sticks out, attached to a flexible cable. The biggest difference is the cable then has another short non-flexible bit in it, but nobody complained about having short non-flexible portions of cable when headphones started including volume controls on the cable (it's just on a different part of the cable). > I do care about music quality It seems that AirPods aren't bluetooth but are instead something else. I'd expect the audio quality to be better than bluetooth. But I guess we have to wait until people have actually tried them out to determine how good it is. > Then I guess I will have to learn how to use my phone again by switching to Android. I do not believe for a second that you're going to actually change platforms simply to have an audio jack without a dongle. I bet in 1–3 years you're going to realize that there's a plethora of lightning headphones to choose from, along with an adaptor that lets you use headphones and charge simultaneously, and you'll stop thinking about this change as a problem.
eridius 10y ago
The included EarPods are lightning. Specifically, it's http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMTN2AM/A/earpods-with-lightning-connector http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMTN2AM/A/earpods-with-lig...
newman314 10y ago
It appears that the included headphones are Lightning from what I could see of the video.

slg 10y ago

Apple of all companies knows that a dongle isn't a viable long term solution for a problem like that. They included it to ease the transition, not as a replacement.

jayd16 10y ago

To help quell the shit storm that would happen if they didn't include it.

scottmf 10y ago
Ah so what you're saying is they do some things for profit, and other things for PR reasons. Interesting.